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Set I
Watcher of the Skies
Britannia Story
Dancing With the Moonlit Knight
Romeo Story
Cinema Show
I Know What I Like
5 Rivers Story
Firth of Fifth
Henry Story
The Musical Box
More Fool Me
Old Michael Story
Supper's Ready
Britannia Story
Dancing With the Moonlit Knight
Romeo Story
Cinema Show
I Know What I Like
5 Rivers Story
Firth of Fifth
Henry Story
The Musical Box
More Fool Me
Old Michael Story
Supper's Ready
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| User (active/rating) | Media / # | Show | Sound | Details | DB Source | User Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DiscMan (0/0) | / 0 | View | AUDIENCE > CASSETTE > CDR > EAC > FLAC FRONTEND | |||
| Notes: | 00018 | |||||
| George Weiss (0/3.9) | CDR / 2 | A | View | aaud > analog? > remastering > shn | ||
| Notes: | Hogweeds #1 | |||||
| TCA (0/0) | SHN / 1 | B9 | View | Analog Audience | ||
| Notes: | Hogweed Remaster HW01 | |||||
| al (0/0) | / 0 | View | ||||
| Notes: | 7/207,208 | |||||
| Patrick Stoops (0/0) | shn / 0 | View | audience recording | |||
| bacchus (0/5) | / 0 | View | ||||
| The Swingin'Pig (0/0) | shn / 2 | View | ||||
| andy (0/0) | SHN(1) / 0 | View | AUD | |||
| Bruce Major (0/0) | cdr / 2 | 9 | 9 | View | ||
| Michal (0/0) | CD / 0 | View | ||||
| Notes: | Hogweed 01 | |||||
| Josh (0/0) | CDR / 2 | A | View | HW01 | ||
| Notes: | CD1: 1. Watcher of the Skies 2. Britannia story 3. Dancing Out with the Moonlit Knight 4. Romeo Story 5. Cinema Show 6. I Know What I Like 7. 5 rivers story 8. Firth of Fifth CD2: 1. Henry story 2. The Musical Box 3. More Fool Me 4. Old Michael story 5. Supper's Ready Sound editor's notes; Massey Hall, Toronto, 8th November 1973. The Show; This show comes from a very good audience recording, and one of the rare stereo recordings of the period. There are interesting moments when the stereo mix in the PA is quite apparent; listen for Steve's guitar whizzing from side to side during Watcher, and again Steve's decorative notes during the 'Old King Cole' section of The Musical Box. However the taper also had a habit of 'wandering' the microphone from side to side in time with the music to create a simulated stereo shift - hey it was the 70s, stereo was a novelty! This is particularly noticeable during the intro to Watcher and sections of Supper's Ready. The show was not taped using automatic record levels, and hence it presents the relative dynamics of an early Genesis show very accurately. This is a powerful performance, and Watcher stands out as one of the most majestic versions I have heard. Cinema Show is also powerful, with great drumming from Phil. You can hear the audience's reaction to the flash pots going off at the beginning of the New Jerusalem section of Supper's Ready. Listen also for tuning problems with Tony's keyboards; during the first half of the set his electric piano seems a bit out, and the melotron goes slightly off during the closing sections of Apocalypse. The show was apparently performed without a light show, both Gabriel and Collins apologise for the fact that their lighting gear is stuck in a truck broken down somewhere between Quebec and Toronto. This incidentally confirms the date, as they played Quebec the night before. The Source; I have sourced this recording from a 2nd generation tape. This tape is 90mins long, and thus the show is incomplete, missing Epping Forest (and possibly Horizons, if it was performed that night). This 90min version is all that seems to be known, and I have reasons to believe that the 2nd gen is the best that may exist, short of finding the master. On a close listen to the tape, what I believe has happened is this; The taper begins recording the show on a C90 tape, which runs out after 45 mins and is flipped at the crescendo of Steve's guitar solo in Firth of Fifth (bummer!), so we're onto another tape side at that point. Given the other 5 mins of Firth, plus 12 odd mins of Epping, an intro, maybe Horizons, we're now coming up to over 20 mins into that side. (It could even be a second tape, maybe only a C60.) Then Gabriel begins introducing Musical Box. A minute or so into the intro, enough time to realise 'this is going to be Musical Box, and its going to run around 12 mins', the guy decides to flip the tape again. You can hear the edit; someone in the audience nearby calls out "Bill!", the end of the word is cut, then Gabriel's whistle indicating the trajectory of little Henry's head. It seems to me there may be a section of Gabriel's intro missing, the description of Cynthia coming up behind him with her mallet raise high etc. Anyway, now we're onto another side of a C90 tape, and it runs straight through, running out exactly as expected 45 mins later, just on the final bars of Supper's Ready. From those tapes, I believe someone, probably the taper but possibly a close associate, has compiled a single 90 min tape to trade with (thus a first gen). They've dropped Epping Forest and joined up the other sections. The taper may have had record problems during Epping Forest, and so left it off his duplicating master. Thus I believe everyone who has this show, from when it was originally traded in the late70s/80s, only has 90 mins on 2nd gen copies. Another interesting note is that this tape was made by the same guy who recorded Pink Floyd at Maple Leaf Gardens on the 11th March, 8 months earlier. The stereo wanderings are very recognisable (and work better with Floyd). He taped the complete Floyd show at 125 mins, and it is almost certain he would have been set up to do the same at this show (hope for the missing songs maybe?). Also, a nearby member of the audience, presumably a friend, was in the habit of shouting "Yeeshkull!!". During the Floyd show Mr. Yeeshkull is prominent enough to have the boot version of this show named after him. During this Genesis gig however, he is much more subdued (although there are some other guys nearby who are very vocal - 'Robot!' and 'Voice of Spider!' notably). At one point, just before Mike's 12-string intro to Cinema Show, you can hear this guy say, "Maybe I should give a Yeeshkull!!". I'm glad he doesn't, but it does suggest this was his signature call at concerts. Again, it was the 70s! :-) The Restoration; This tape was a difficult one to work with. Firstly it was relatively hissy, with a dramatic drop off in treble information above 4KHz, to almost nothing above about 8KHz. However it contains a wealth of fine detail. The problem was how to drop the hiss levels without loosing all that textural detail and ambience, whilst bringing out what little information was to be heard in the top end. My decision has been to leave a noise floor that still includes ambience and harmonic detail, but hopefully reduces the hiss to less obtrusive amounts. Phil's cymbals still lack 'Ting!', its just not on the source, but I've brought the treble up to realistic levels - the melotron intro to Watcher is lovely and gritty. Also the bass was very subdued. I have ended up isolating everything below 150Hz and remixed it in. A lot of Mike's bass pedal work in Supper's Ready was difficult, almost not there at all. There was also significant 'woofing' of the microphone during loud midrange peaks: Gabriel's vocals during quieter sections, nearby audience members etc. Plus bumping of the microphone between songs and during More Fool Me, all of which I have removed. The recording is pitched accurately, and there has been no alteration of dynamics, as automatic record levels were not used. | |||||
| mjochim (0/0) | SHN / 2 | A | A- | View | AUD > ?? > Cassette Tape (2nd gen.) > Akai GXC 570 > Audiomedia III card (Mac) >... | |
| Notes: | taper missed "Battle Of Epping Forest"; taper also recorded the 3/11/74 Pink Floyd MLG show ("Yeeshkull!"); HW01 remaster | |||||
| Spaz (0/0) | 1 / 0 | View | ||||
| John D'Auria (0/0) | shn / 1 | View | ||||
| The Rifle Rangers (0/0) | SHN / 1 | View | unknown AUD | |||
| Notes: | hogweed 1 | |||||
| Jason Gladys (0/0) | .shn / 1 | View | Liberated Bootleg | |||
| Notes: | Email me for setlist info. | |||||
| Jason Gladys (0/0) | .shn / 1 | View | Liberated Bootleg | |||
| Notes: | Email me for setlist info. | |||||
| Bruce Major (0/5) | cdr / 2 | 9 | 9 | View | ||
| Bruce Major (0/5) | cdr / 2 | 9 | 9 | View | ||
| Bruce Major (0/5) | cdr / 2 | 9 | 9 | View | ||
| BariSax (0/0) | shn / 2 | View | HW01 | |||
| Aaron Daniel (0/0) | CDR / 2 | View | ||||
| Jimmy Tango (0/0) | CDR / 2 | A | A- | View | AUD - See http://users.netcon.net.au/listen/hogweed/HW01.html | |
| Adam Hoey (0/1) | SHN / 2 | View | ||||
| Glauque (0/5) | 1 SHN / 2 | A | View | "Massey Hall, Toronto, 8 Nov 1973" HW01 (Hogweed) | ||
| Ernest Howard (0/5) | cdr / 2 | A | B- | View | ||
| Notes: | Hogweed's #2 | |||||
| Tad Hewit (0/0) | CDR / 2 | View | AUD | |||
| nerakee (0/0) | CDR / 2 | View | Hogweeds HW01 | |||
| hank (0/0) | SHN / 1 | View | aaud > analog? > remastering > shn | |||
| Notes: | Hogweeds 1 | |||||
| hank (0/0) | SHN / 1 | View | aaud > analog? > remastering > shn | |||
| Notes: | Hogweeds 1 | |||||