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Grateful Dead 08/27/72
Old Renaissance Faire Grounds, Veneta, OR
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Set I
Promised Land, Sugaree, Me & My Uncle, Deal, Black Throated Wind, China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider, Mexicali Blues, Bertha
Set II
Playin' In The Band, He's Gone, Jack Straw, Bird Song, Greatest Story Ever Told
Set III
Dark Star-> El Paso, Sing Me Back Home, Sugar Magnolia, Casey Jones, One More Saturday Night
Comment
Springfield Creamery benefit - "Field Trip" - not 08-28-72 - Other artist(s): NRPS
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SBD MR> DAT> CDR> EAC> SHN; via S. Kaplan, G. Hamilton; known flaws: sound system disortion/buzziness at places; d1t7 d/o @ 11:14; d2t6 discontinuity @ 3:36, static @ 5:07; note least-flawed of several versions assayed (no clicks/pops in Dark Star); 12/00 update: an upgrade version is now circulating
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SBD Master Betty reel > PCM > DAT > ZA2 > CD > EAC > SHN; Set 3 has unknown # of PCM gens; via Jeff Tiedrich (DAT seed), David Hollister (transfer> CD), G.S. Hamilton (EAC> SHN); see info file for comments; d3 tracked for 80 min; upgrade relative to previously etreed copy
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SBD-> two-track MR-> DAT-> Sonic Solutions-> CDR-> EAC-> Sound Forge Edit (analog pop removal using pencil tool)-> Sound Forge Pitch Shift (antialias filter followed by pitch shift of +19 cents); stemming from David Gans seed, via Adam Jerugim to Leigh Orf, who fixed up (see details in info file); d3 trackd for 80 min; note previous shn sets have been Betty Board sourced- this is not
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SBD> 16 Track Master Reels> [email protected]> DAT> DAT> WAV> SHN; see info file for details, fixes and flaw notes; note most banter edited out; Reel>DAT transfer by Dick Latvala; DAT clone supplied by Rob Eaton; DAT>SHN by Jamie Lutch; QC courtesy dankseeds
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SBD > 4-TRACK RTR @ 7.5 i.p.s. > PCM> (PCM) > D > SSSB; via Jay Serafin to gdlive; see info file for extensive notes
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SBD> 16 Track Master Reels> [email protected]> DAT> DAT> WAV> SHN; Banter between songs from the two-track master reels: S:MR> DAT> SS> CD> EAC> SHN; dankseed
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Bertha Remaster of the Braverman/Dank 16 track source. SBD>>MR>>DAT>>SS>>CDA>>EAC>>SHN>>DAW(Bertha)>>CDA/SHN - Sound A (Between songs from the two-track master reels)
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User (active/rating) Media / # Show Sound Details DB Source User Source
Joseph W Powell (3/0) shn / 2 View   SBD>16 Track Master Reels>[email protected]>DAT>DAT>WAV>SHN
Notes: Dankseed
Carlos Castillo (3/0) CDR / 3 A A View   SBD
Mike Walsh (3/0) SHN / 2 View 4682
Alex Alderman (3/0) / 0 View  
longcreektrailer (3/5) .shn / 2 View 4682
Wade Wofford (3/3) CDR / 3 B B+ View   SBD>Master Reel>DAT>CDR
David Ferris (3/0) CDR / 3 A+ View   SBD>16 Track Master Reels>[email protected]>DAT>DAT>WAV>SHN
Notes: Old Renaissance Faire Grounds, Veneta, OR (8/27/72) Promised Land Sugaree Me and My Uncle Deal Black Throated Wind China Cat Sunflower I Know You Rider Mexicali Blues Bertha Playing in the Band He's Gone Jack Straw Bird Song Greatest Story Ever Told Dark Star El Paso Sing Me Back Home Sugar Magnolla Casey Jones Dankseed Certified
Ryan G (3/0) CD-r / 1 A+ View   SBD
David Rabinowitz (3/5) CDR / 3 View  
Josh Roberts (3/0) SHN / 2 A View  
joanna (3/5) CD / 3 View 2199
Big O (3/5) CDR / 3 A View   RM>PCM>DAT>CD, Set III: 16-track RM>DAT2>CD
Notes: Dankseeds version.
Kurt Schlager (3/0) CD-R / 3 A+ A View  
Nick Boeka (3/0) CDR / 3 A- View   SBD>Master Betty reel > PCM > DAT > ZA2 > CD > EAC > SHN
Notes: Set 3 has unknown # of PCM gens David Hollister's comments: Set 3 has unknown # of PCM gens. Disc 3 is an 80 minute disc, but it can fit on a 74 if you want to leave off the post-show chatter. I cleaned up pops during Dark Star with SF pencil tool. There are still a couple of very small spots of what sounds like static during Dark Star, usually only in one channel. I didn't feel they were worth bothering with. Small clicks at 25:34, 26:35 in Dark Star. Lots of small zits and stuff all over the place, presumably from the PCM tape.
Bobby McNamara (3/0) CDR / 3 View  
gary kriksciun (3/0) / 3 View 4682
jason (3/0) / 0 View  
Brian Kelly (3/0) VHS / 1 View   "Sunshine Daydream " , the lost Dead movie
Eric Jamieson (3/0) SHN / 2 A+ View   Master Betty reel > PCM > DAT > ZA2 > CD > EAC > SHN
Rob Heros (3/0) shn / 2 A+ View   SBD->two-track MR->DAT->Sonic Solutions->CDR->EAC->Sound Forge Edit (analog pop...
Notes: Grateful Dead 08/27/72 Old Renaissance Fairground, Veneta OR Lineage: SBD->two-track MR->DAT->Sonic Solutions->CDR->EAC-> Sound Forge Edit (analog pop removal using pencil tool)-> Sound Forge Pitch Shift (antialias filter followed by pitch shift of +19 cents) David Gans seeded the show (SBD->MR->DAT->Sonic Solutions->CDR). Adam Jerugim obtained a CDR copy, EAC'd and uploaded it to orf.cx. Leigh Orf did all the post-processing (Sound Forge stuff). Note: This is *not* the Betty Board source which has circulated before. This source came from a different two-track master reel (made by the folks filming the Sunshine Daydream movie) and is mixed differently. Disc 1 Set 1 1. [ 4:14.13] Stage Announcements 2. [ 3:36.65] The Promised Land 3. [ 9:15.23] Sugaree 4. [ 3:27.26] Me And My Uncle 5. [ 4:40.57] Deal 6. [ 7:10.26] Black Throated Wind 7. [15:05.18] China Cat Sunflower -> I Know You Rider 8. [ 3:43.36] Mexicali Blues 9. [ 5:53.40] Bertha -------- 57:07.04 Disc 2 Set 2 1. [18:38.49] Playin' In The Band * 2. [ 2:20.74] Stage Announcements 3. [ 8:45.74] He's Gone 4. [ 0:32.22] Stage Chatter 5. [ 5:04.35] Jack Straw 6. [12:33.67] Bird Song @ 7. [ 0:28.24] Stage Announcements 8. [ 5:32.18] Greatest Story Ever Told -------- 53:56.63 Disc 3 Set 3 1. [ 0:58.05] Stage Announcements 2. [31:13.05] Dark Star -> 3. [ 5:19.02] El Paso 4. [10:25.61] Sing Me Back Home 5. [ 0:48.32] Stage Announcements 6. [ 8:30.16] Sugar Magnolia $ 7. [ 2:06.40] Stage Announcements 8. [ 6:12.02] Casey Jones 9. [ 5:26.43] One More Saturday Night 10. [ 6:24.10] Stage Announcements & -------- 77:23.66 Footnotes: * First 57 seconds spliced from Betty Reel (Gans) @ At about 6:50 two seconds spliced from Betty Reel (Orf) $ Piano distortion starting at 5:05 is on original reel (somewhat cleaned up by Orf) & Stage Announcements can be eliminated to fit disc 3 on a 74 min CD-R General Comments: In all the circulating copies of this show I've heard, including this one, small analog pops were scattered throughout. I believe they originated at the soundboard or from one of the band member's instruments. I edited out about 100 of these (hopefully all of them) with the Sound Forge pencil tool. Click removal software was not smart enough to find and fix these particular pops. I noticed as I was listening to this show that it sounded kind of flat/sour/sluggish. When I finally sat down to give it a thorough listen, I noticed that there was a definite speed change where Betty source entered the new source 57 seconds into Playin'. I determined by using a handheld tuner and the spectrum analyzer of Sound Forge that the Betty reel was in tune and that the new source was slow (primarily tuning the show to where the band is tuning after Sugaree; I made Phil's A3 tune to exactly 220 Hz). Happily, by "tuning" (speeding up) the new source, everything sounds "right" and the transition from the Betty source into this source in Playin' no longer had that audible speed slowdown. I did a pitch shift of +19 cents on all of the show (except the first 57 seconds of Playin') which effectively "played the original reel a little faster". Shntool was used to fix the track boundaries which were now off due to the pitch shift (all the wav files were shorter). I was able to make the piano overmodulation distortion starting about five minutes into Sugar Magnolia slightly more palatable by pulling out the high frequency components of the distortion using the Sound Forge Click Removal algorithm and some hand editing. It still sounds bad, but distortion of this nature is nearly impossible to fix. Finally, some comments about how this show sounds different from the Betty source. This reel was originated from the folks who were filming the Sunshine Daydream movie. The movie source sounds "clearer"; there is a better defined high end which leads to a less "veiled" sound than the Betty source. Vocals and high-hat sound clearer and higher in the mix. Bass is mixed lower; the low bass is especially thin on the movie source, while the mid-bass is fine. The Betty source, to my ears, sounds more "veiled" than the new source, and more bassy. The movie source has more tape hiss than the Betty source, but it's hiss only from the original reel. My guess is the Betty reels used some form of noise reduction (Dolby A?) while the movie source did not. In my opinion, this is the best sounding version of this show currently circulating. Enjoy, and feel free to send comments my way. Thanks again to David Gans and Adam Jerugim for making this possible. Leigh Orf <[email protected]> http://orf.cx written March 10, 2001
Matt Majewski (3/0) CDR / 3 NOT View   Soundboard
Notes: DOES NOT EXTRACT! NOT TRADABLE!
devious gelatin (3/0) CDR / 3 View   DAUD
David P. Finnigan, M.D. (3/5) shn / 3 View  
Don Giacomini (3/0) .shn / 2 View   SBD
Patrick Murphy (3/5) / 0 View 8045
Caleb Hughes (3/5) CDR / 3 View   SBD>MR>DAT>CDR
dickson mercer (3/0) CDR / 3 View  
Matt Lenahan (3/0) CDR / 3 View   SBD>2TRK MR>DAT>Sonic Solutions>CDR>EAC>CDR
Roger Maddron (3/1) Cdr / 3 A+ View 2199
robert naylor (3/3) CD / 3 A/A View   Master Betty reel > PCM > DAT > ZA2 > CD > EAC > SHN > CDR
Notes: Grateful Dead 08/27/72 Old Renaissance Fairground, Veneta OR Source: SBD Lineage: Master Betty reel > PCM > DAT > ZA2 > CD > EAC > SHN Set 3 has unknown # of PCM gens Thanks to Jeff Tiedrich and David Hollister for this fine copy! Extraction and shortening by G.S. Hamilton http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=2199 Disc 1 Set 1 1. Stage Announcements 5:58 2. The Promised Land 3:37 3. Sugaree 9:16 4. Me And My Uncle 3:27 5. Deal 6:00 6. Black Throated Wind 9:25 7. China Cat Sunflower 7:55 8. I Know You Rider 8:30 9. Mexicali Blues 4:25 10. Bertha 5:52 Total time: 64:30 Disc 2 Set 2 1. Stage Announcements 2:40 2. Playing In The Band 21:21 3. He's Gone 12:08 4. Jack Straw 6:00 5. Bird Song 13:37 6. Greatest Story Ever Told 5:56 Total time: 61:45 Disc 3 Set 3 1. Dark Star > 31:42 2. El Paso 4:49 3. Sing Me Back Home 13:02 4. Sugar Magnolia 11:42 Encores: 5. Casey Jones 7:00 6. One More Saturday Night 4:37 7. Stage Announcements 3:00 Total time: 75:55 David Hollister's comments: Set 3 has unknown # of PCM gens. Disc 3 is an 80 minute disc, but it can fit on a 74 if you want to leave off the post-show chatter. I cleaned up pops during Dark Star with SF pencil tool. There are still a couple of very small spots of what sounds like static during Dark Star, usually only in one channel. I didn't feel they were worth bothering with. Small clicks at 25:34, 26:35 in Dark Star. Lots of small zits and stuff all over the place, presumably from the PCM tape.