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Pink Floyd 11/16/74
Empire Pool, London, England
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Set I
Speak To Me >
Breathe
On The Run
Time
Breathe (Reprise)
The Great Gig In The Sky
Money
Us And Them
Any Colour You Like
Brain Damage
Eclipse

E: Echoes
Set II
 
Set III
 
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Roy Martin\'s Music Collection (5/5) FLAC / 0 View   Winston Remaster's source (Z306)
Notes: Disc 1 AUD Master>DAT2>Remaster Disc 2 SBD UnknownGen>CDR>EAC>Remaster Echoes - "Echoes in the Garden" version>Remaster Both Sources cleaned up and Enhanced using Samplitude Professional Waves plugins and Steinberg Spectralizer
Roy Martin\'s Music Collection (5/5) FLAC / 0 View   Emperor Nobody Rematrix Remaster (CC015)
Notes: Notes on the rematrix remaster: This is a rematrix of the exceptional 3-source one done by amdig1...... lineage: original FLAC files for both Harvested and amdig1 versions ---> wav ---> Vegas 7 & SoundForge 9 ---> CD Wave Editor ---> FLAC level 8 (sectors aligned) ---> you
Roy Martin\'s Music Collection (5/5) FLAC / 0 View   No Room Upon the Hill (CC015)
Notes: SQ: A (outstanding audience recording) Source: 1st Generation copy of the master discs Liberated in its lowest generation form yet, in SHN-only format, by Man of Leisure Music (MoLM) May, 2004 using the FloydArtifacts listserv and Sharing the Groove. Mastering: Transferred to disc by a close friend of the taper. Someone who obviously knew what they were doing. (Thank you) This is one of the few departures from our signature re-mastering methods; MoLM has not performed any sound alteration, nor speed correction to this phenomenal recording.
Roy Martin\'s Music Collection (5/5) FLAC / 0 View   Time In London (CC015)
Notes: Source : PreFM Master (DC - PiNkRoIoShN) > Remastered (Adobe Audition 1.5) Digitally Restored, Remastered, Re-Edited and Packaged by The Swingin'Pig
Roy Martin\'s Music Collection (5/5) FLAC / 0 View   New Pre-FM Master (with Echoes!) (CC015)
Notes: Info file says, "If you're a Pink Floyd collector, you probably have several versions of this particular recording. However, you've never heard it this good--and indeed, you've never heard the pre-FM soundboard 28-minute version of Echoes that appears for the first time in this set. This is a noticeable upgrade over the EX roio called "Brain Damage" that was torrented on the Groove nearly a year ago. These were EAC'ed from the original silvers by the person who brought this into circulation this week (thanks bbatnifty!) "
Alan M. (5/5) cd-r / 1 A+ View   SBD + AUD1 + AUD2 Matrix Mix
Notes: complete "Dark Side" live
Brian Donohue (5/5) cdr / 1 View  
Brian Donohue (5/5) / 0 View  
sean hite (5/0) / 0 View  
Notes: "BBC Archives 1974" Harvested Records (HRV CDR 033)
john (5/5) cdr / 1 View   sbd
Notes: dark side of the moon set
Rick Martin (5/5) CDR / 2 A View   PreFM Master (DC - PiNkRoIoShN) > Remastered (Adobe Audition 1.5)
Notes: Complete
Rick Martin (5/5) Flac / 1 A View   Pink Floyd - "BBC Archives 1974">Harvested Records (HRV CDR 033)
Notes: Pink Floyd - "BBC Archives 1974">Harvested Records (HRV CDR 033)
kuronotenshi (5/5) CD-R / 1 A A View   CD
Notes: Pre-FM Master Source
kuronotenshi (5/5) CD-R / 2 A+ A View   CD
Notes: Wembley 1974 Pre FM-Master (2CD) Sirene-009 LIMITED EDITION: 300 COPIES ONLY (NUMBERED) The second half and encore of the show of 16th November 1974 was recorded by BBC Radio One. However, only "Dark Side Of The Moon" - with the line "I've been mad for fucking years" in "Speak To Me" removed from the mix - was broadcasted, on the Alan Freeman Show on 11th January 1975. This is taken from the original pre-broadcast master tapes including encore "Echoes".
afterdinnermint (5/5) CDR / 1 A View  
Notes: "Brain Damage". This may be the definative performance of DSOTM. A limber, soulful presentation, and the recording is phenomenal. This was sourced from a silver boot, but Echoes is not included on it. Note that all copies sourced from "Brain Damage" are incomplete.
Drifty (5/4.9) CDr / 1 A View  
Notes: Bootleg "Brain Damage"
MrSteve (5/5) cd / 1 A- View  
Notes: sbd/fm>mr>?>cd
Gary (5/4.3) CDR / 1 View  
Notes: SBD/AUD Matrix [AmDig]
Gary (5/4.3) CDR / 1 View  
Notes: BBC HVR033
Holden Caulfield (5/5) flac / 1 View   "We Meet Again"- 3 Source Mix - SBD + AUD1 + AUD2 Matrix Mix (60%/SBD + 25%/AUD1 + 15%/AUD2)
Brandon Moeller (5/5) CD-R / 1 View  
Mike (5/5) CDR / 1 A View   FM
Notes: 'dark side' set only
Kidd (5/4.2) audio/1FLAC / 1 A View   - 3 Source Mix -
Notes: DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix
Marc Dreilinger (5/2.3) FLAC / 1 View   "BBC Archives 1974" (Harvested Records HRV CDR 033) -- Remastered upgrade with "Echoes"
Notes: Archived Box 1 Disc 586
Marc Dreilinger (5/2.3) FLAC / 1 View   BBC 6 Music rebroadcast (No Echoes)
Notes: Archived Box 1 Disc 536
Marc Dreilinger (5/2.3) SHN / 1 View   AUD 1st gen clone of the master reels "No Room Upon the Hill" (MOLM) liberated boot
Notes: Archived Box 1 Disc 261
kindnoodles/chris helmick (5/5) cdr / 1 View   sbd
PeaceTrader (5/0) CDR / 2 View  
Damian (5/5) CD / 2 View  
Notes: The Swingin'Pig presents 'The Swingin'Pig Digital ProjeKct #09' Pink Floyd ‘Time In London’ - Live in London Empire Pool, Wembley, November 16 1974 30th Anniversary Edition Source : PreFM Master (DC - PiNkRoIoShN) > Remastered (Adobe Audition 1.5) Digitally Restored, Remastered, Re-Edited and Packaged by The Swingin'Pig www.swinginpig.freeurl.com ________________________________________________________ 01. Speak To Me 2:36.146 02. Breathe 2:55.880 03. On The Run 5:05.760 04. Time 6:40.986 05. The Great Gig In The Sky 6:51.280 06. Money 8:03.320 07 Us And Them 7:57.813 08. Any Colour You Like 7:40.173 09. Brain Damage 3:40.093 10. Eclipse 1:52.160 11. tune up 1:57.613 12. Echoes 23:48.573 Total running time: 1:19:09.800 ________________________________________________________ Waveform Statistics (Adobe Audition 1.5) Left Right Min Sample Value: -31640 -31632 Max Sample Value: 31778 31632 Peak Amplitude: -0.27 dB -0.31 dB Possibly Clipped: 0 0 DC Offset: 0.003 % 0.001 % Minimum RMS Power: -115.47 dB -97.01 dB Maximum RMS Power: -0.97 dB -1.00 dB Average RMS Power: -16.75 dB -16.68 dB Total RMS Power: -14.11 dB -14.07 dB Actual Bit Depth: 16 Bits 16 Bits Using RMS Window of 0 ms ________________________________________________________ About the TSPDP09 ProjeKct: Why a new version of the November 16, 1974 Pink Floyd concert at the Empire Pool, Wembley? Despite the fact that a great number of different audio sources exist for this concert, none of them seems to be as good as required. Although the 'PreFM Master' source is, to my knowledge, the best one available, it suffers from various audio flaws like: - presence of noise (hiss and clicks) and saturation, - wrong speed, - signal drop-out and stereo image losses, - ‘parasite’ signal on ‘On The Run’ (end) and ‘Time’ (beginning), - wrong equalisation and dynamics of the audio signal. The restored version proposed here, mainly based on the 'PreFM Master' source, is an attempt to correct, as far as possible, these different flaws. First, all the kind of noises have been removed and a correction of the speed, based on the BBC6 2003 broadcast, has been applied. Then, most of the signal drop-out and saturation have been attenuated. Concerning the so-called ‘parasite’ audio source (that you can still hear at 04:08 from the beginning of ‘On The Run’) this one has eventually been masked by the add of the clock 'tick-tock' that is listenable on the BBC6 2003 broadcast previously mentioned. The crowd noise has been added at the beginning of the show by reference to what you can ear on the ‘Completely Brain Damaged Vol.3’ bootleg. During the making off this project, another source containing a very good audio quality of ‘Echoes’ emerged from sharing communities, I decided to include this number in this project. Although a doubt remains concerning the origin of this source (mp3 sourced?), I chose to preserve this piece because of the historical nature of the performance (sax and female voices). Finally, an equalisation and a modification of the dynamics were applied to the whole of the project in order to obtain a good final mix. The best efforts were produced in order to obtain similar sounds for ‘DSotM’ and 'Echoes'. Because of the lack of source of equivalent audio quality for the other played titles on this day ('Shine On You Crazy Diamond', 'Raving and Drooling' and 'You've Gotta Be Crazy'), these ones were not included in this project. If someone could provide a very good recording of these tittles I would be delighted to provide an add-on for the TSPDP09. Although this anniversary edition is not totally flawless (is an official release will surface some day?), I hope that you will enjoy this new remastered version of this Pink Floyd performance. Acknowledgements: I would wish to thank the ‘Sharing The Groove’ (www.sharingthegroove.org) and ‘EzTorrent’ (www.easytree.org) communities as well as the Direct Connect one ‘PiNkRoIoShN’ (pinkroioshn.myftp.org) for sharing all the sources used in this project. Last but not least, I would like to specially thank ‘Tattieboggle’ for providing the BBC6 2003 broadcast of this show. Shine On. The Swingin’Pig, November 16, 2004. (www.swinginpig.freeurl.com)
Damian (5/5) CD / 1 View  
Notes: HRVCDR033 Pink Floyd "BBC Archives 1974" Harvested Records (HRV CDR 033) London, Wembley Empire Pool, November 16, 1974 01. Speak To Me 02. Breathe 03. On The Run 04. Time 05. The Great Gig In The Sky 06. Money 07. Us And Them 08. Any Colour You Like 09. Brain Damage 10. Eclipse 11. Echoes Liner notes: ------------ In the spirit of our previous "BBC Archives" series (after "BBC Archives 1967-1969" and "BBC Archives 1970-1971"), Harvested is proud to finally present "BBC Archives 1974"! In 1974, the BBC taped the second set (The Dark Side On The Moon) and the encore (Echoes) of the Floyd performance at Wembley Empire Pool, on November 16. However, Echoes was never broadcast, and for many years only the DSOTM set was circulating from broadcast sources. In recent years, recordings taken from the BBC pre-FM tapes began to circulate, some of them including the long lost soundboard version of Echoes. However, none of these RoIOs are fully sonically satisfactory in our opinion. Most of them are processed and used some kind of noise reduction, sometimes very slightly (the Sirene releases), and other times more heavily (the Winston remasters, "Time In London") The rare, unprocessed versions currently circulating, like the "FM Pre-Master" Russian bootleg, are pleasant but not without a certain amount of hiss, which reveals that the lineage was not without some generational loss. The hiss from the unprocessed versions available until now is probably one of the reasons why so much NR was used on the various remaster projects. After much research, Harvested found a superior source, totally unprocessed, with much less hiss than the other unprocessed versions circulating until now. A spectral analysis of the audio file showed that this source was very pure and could be the result of direct transfer from the BBC masters. However, it is well known that the BBC mastering of that concert sounds rather dry and flat, especially the DSOTM set and our source was no exception. Therefore, we felt this new source needed the "Harvested treatment," in order to make this recording really shine, with good dynamics. The remastering was done very carefully in an attempt to leave the music intact, avoiding NR, dehissing, or any other processing that would generate artifacts. The majority of the remastering work consisted of adjusting the audio levels, balancing the recording when needed, and bringing more clarity and depth by applying specific EQ settings here and there. The final result sounds great to our ears and this version boasts excellent dynamics and a well defined high end without the flaws present on most of the other sources. This CD is free from all NR artifacts, the amount of hiss is minimal, and the low frequency noise that can be clearly heard on all of the currently circulating versions of Echoes (especially during the quiet parts) is not present here. "BBC Archives 1974" brings you this famous BBC recording in its most complete form (the lines,"I've been mad for f*cking years...," as well as the applause and tuning between Eclipse and Echoes are present), offering the best possible quality for your listening pleasure! " For those of you who'd like to know how this Harvested version compares with other pre-FM RoIOs from the same concert, comparative analysis is detailed here after. Enjoy! The Harvested Team. "BBC 74 Remastered" (Winston Remaster #1) ----------------------------------------- It includes only DSOTM, with the lines "mad for f* years" during Speak To Me. During the loud parts, this remaster sounds really good, however some dynamic NR was used, which affects all the parts where the music is quieter. A typical example can be heard just before David sings the 1st verse of Breathe, or during the lines "home, home again" of Breathe Reprise: there's a sudden drop of clarity, with cymbals muffled, when the level of the music is lower than a certain treshold. This annoying effect is also disturbing during the intro of Time, the second half of TGGITS, the central part of ACYL, the verses of BD, ... Harvested's "BBc Archives 1974" does not have all these artefacts and has a better defined clarity, even during the loud parts. "BBC Completely Revisited" (Winston Remaster #2) ------------------------------------------------ This 2CD RoIO includes an audience recording for the 1st set and a pre-FM master source for the 2nd set and encore. DSOTM is very similar to the previous remaster ("BBC 74 Remastered"), with all the quiet parts altered by NR. The 2nd CD includes Echoes, as well as the tuning and applause between Eclipse and Echoes. Echoes suffers from a constant low frequency noise, not too disturbing, but noticeable anyway during the intro and the seagull part (this is the case for all the versions of Echoes on the other pre-FM RoIOs). It seems that less NR was used for Echoes, compared to DSOTM, as there is no obvious artifact. However, a spectral analysis shows that some processing was used for frequencies around 18kHz. Harvested's "BBC Archives 1974" has a better sound, especially during the quiet parts (the beginning of the reprise after the seagull part is a perfect example). And on Harvested's version, the low frequency noise is not present. "Time In London" (TSPDP09) -------------------------- Complete DSOTM and Echoes, with the "mad for f* years" line in Speak To Me, but the tuning between Eclipse and Echoes is slightly shorter than on other RoIOs. Same remarks as for the Winston remasters: the NR process that was applied ruins the quiet parts. The effect is even worse on "Time In London", as the NR was used more heavily. For instance, the high frequencies are cut as soon as their level is below a treshold. As a result, the end of the cymbals sound (during the sustain) is often cut abruptly. A spectacular example can be heard around the "staying home to watch the rain" lines: on any unprocessed source, one can hear that Nick is using a ride cymbal, but on "Time In London", it's as if Nick was playing the hi-hat! Also, the process to "dynamise" the recording makes the recording sound too artificial, even if at first impression it's very punchy. A direct comparison between "Time In London" and an unprocessed source clearly shows that "Time In London" sounds rather un-natural. And again, Echoes has the low frequency noise, present on the other RoIOs. These flaws and artefacts are not present on Harvested's "BBC Archives 1974", which sounds much more natural. "Wembley 1974 Pre-FM Master" (Sirene-009) ----------------------------------------- This RoIO includes DSOTM and Echoes (with the low frequency noise again), as well as the applause and tuning between Eclipse and Echoes. However, on that version the lines "mad for f* years" are edited out. As usual, Sirene used some processing during remastering, but compared with the other remasters above, this version was processed rather carefully. The sound is really good despite the processing, although Harvested's "BBC Archives 1974" sounds brighter. On the Sirene release, Echoes is apparently from mp3 origin. "Wembley 1974 FM Premaster" (Russian bootleg) --------------------------------------------- This obscure bootleg, remastered by Pink Robert, contains only DSOTM (with the "mad for f* years" lines), but shows no sign of heavy processing. The sound is bright and clear, very natural, without artifact. However, there's a certain amount of hiss, probably revealing some gens in the lineage. Harvested's "BBC Archives 1974" offers slightly better clarity in terms of sound definition (due to lower gen), with much less hiss.