Browse Collections Artists Sources   Search Dates

Add Show    List Management    Help


Grateful Dead 08/27/72
Old Renaissance Faire Grounds, Veneta, OR
Add Source    Reviews    List Collectors    Add to Collection    I Was There    Add to Want List    Wanted By    History    Edit Show
Set I
Promised Land, Sugaree, Me & My Uncle, Deal, Black Throated Wind, China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider, Mexicali Blues, Bertha
Set II
Playin' In The Band, He's Gone, Jack Straw, Bird Song, Greatest Story Ever Told
Set III
Dark Star-> El Paso, Sing Me Back Home, Sugar Magnolia, Casey Jones, One More Saturday Night
Comment
Springfield Creamery benefit - "Field Trip" - not 08-28-72 - Other artist(s): NRPS
Last Changed By System
Sources
(152) View Source    View Archive
SBD MR> DAT> CDR> EAC> SHN; via S. Kaplan, G. Hamilton; known flaws: sound system disortion/buzziness at places; d1t7 d/o @ 11:14; d2t6 discontinuity @ 3:36, static @ 5:07; note least-flawed of several versions assayed (no clicks/pops in Dark Star); 12/00 update: an upgrade version is now circulating
(2199) View Source    View Archive
SBD Master Betty reel > PCM > DAT > ZA2 > CD > EAC > SHN; Set 3 has unknown # of PCM gens; via Jeff Tiedrich (DAT seed), David Hollister (transfer> CD), G.S. Hamilton (EAC> SHN); see info file for comments; d3 tracked for 80 min; upgrade relative to previously etreed copy
(3328) View Source    View Archive
SBD-> two-track MR-> DAT-> Sonic Solutions-> CDR-> EAC-> Sound Forge Edit (analog pop removal using pencil tool)-> Sound Forge Pitch Shift (antialias filter followed by pitch shift of +19 cents); stemming from David Gans seed, via Adam Jerugim to Leigh Orf, who fixed up (see details in info file); d3 trackd for 80 min; note previous shn sets have been Betty Board sourced- this is not
(4682) View Source    View Archive
SBD> 16 Track Master Reels> [email protected]> DAT> DAT> WAV> SHN; see info file for details, fixes and flaw notes; note most banter edited out; Reel>DAT transfer by Dick Latvala; DAT clone supplied by Rob Eaton; DAT>SHN by Jamie Lutch; QC courtesy dankseeds
(8045) View Source    View Archive
SBD > 4-TRACK RTR @ 7.5 i.p.s. > PCM> (PCM) > D > SSSB; via Jay Serafin to gdlive; see info file for extensive notes
(16582) View Source    View Archive
SBD> 16 Track Master Reels> [email protected]> DAT> DAT> WAV> SHN; Banter between songs from the two-track master reels: S:MR> DAT> SS> CD> EAC> SHN; dankseed
(21619) View Source    View Archive
Bertha Remaster of the Braverman/Dank 16 track source. SBD>>MR>>DAT>>SS>>CDA>>EAC>>SHN>>DAW(Bertha)>>CDA/SHN - Sound A (Between songs from the two-track master reels)
Click 'Edit Show' or the 'Set I(II)(III)' or 'Comment' text to make corrections.
If this is a duplicate or incorrect entry and should be merged, use the Request Merge page.

Collectors With This Show

<< Previous       1 - 30 | 301 - 330 | 601 - 630 | 901 - 930 | 1201 - 1230 | 1501 - 1530 | 1801 - 1830 | 2101 - 2130 | 2401 - 2430 | 2701 - 2730 | 3001 - 3030 | 3031 - 3060 | 3061 - 3090 | 3091 - 3120 | 3121 - 3150 | 3151 - 3180 | 3181 - 3210 | 3211 - 3240 | 3241 - 3270 | 3271 - 3300 | 3301 - 3330 | 3331 - 3360 | 3361 - 3390 | 3391 - 3420 | 3421 - 3450 | 3451 - 3480 | 3481 - 3510 | 3511 - 3540 | 3541 - 3570 | 3571 - 3600 | 3601 - 3630 | 3631 - 3660 | 3661 - 3690 | 3691 - 3720 | 3721 - 3750 | 3751 - 3780 | 3781 - 3810 | 3811 - 3840 | 4111 - 4140 | 4411 - 4440 | 4711 - 4740    Next >>

User (active/rating) Media / # Show Sound Details DB Source User Source
Lee Wagner (1/0) CD-R / 0 View  
Chris Cantergiani (1/4.8) CDR / 3 A+ View   sbd
Notes: Springfield Creamery Benefit - "Field Trip" H O T
Jody Bugabear (1/5) cdr / 3 View   7"master reel (sbd) > dat > cdr
Covey (1/5) CD-R / 3 A+ A View   SBD
jwebbs (1/5) CDR / 3 View   SBD
Mike y (1/0) / 3 A View   SBD
Notes: Dank
Noam Rosen (1/0) shn / 2 A A View 8045 See Notes
Notes: GRATEFUL DEAD "The Springfield Creamery Benefit" Old Renaissance Fairgrounds Veneta, OR I / II / III LINEAGE SET I / II: SBD > 4-TRACK RTR @ 7.5 i.p.s. > PCM > D > SSSB LINEAGE SET III: SBD > 4-TRACK RTR @ 7.5 i.p.s. > PCM > PCM > D > SSSB SSSB Audio Rating: AR-2 LINEAGE: SBD > 4-track RTR > PCM via analog inputs > (Set III only: extra PCM conversion using analog inputs) > D > SSSB; other artist(s): NRPS; billed as "The Springfield Creamery Benefit"; "Casey Jones", "One More Saturday Night" are not encores, simply the end of the show (some databases state these 3 songs "may be encores"); any/all editing, fades, NR, hiss elimination, phase shifting/"time smear" correction, jitter elimination, and +/-2 dB max. EQ were performed using 100% digital-only processing (32-bit/196 kHz data stream) at Serafin Station Studio B [this show was released in 10/01] JAY'S PERSONAL COMMENTS: I have to say this was probably one of the most difficult shows I ever had to work on... EVER! Many reasons for this are able to be disclosed (which they will be), but some are verified confidential information which came from my Marin County source who sent me the best possible masters for this show. Set I and II: Due to the tape reels being plastic, rather than the usual metal type, when the tapes were archived to PCM, there were static problems which occurred due to the ambient electrical charges which occur when tape reels are fast forwarded and fast rewound to "loosen up" the tape. The static discharged through the tape layers, rather than through the metal reels, so the audio wound up becoming filled with little "pops, ticks, and crackles" throughout a lot of the layers of tape. To eliminate these very annoying (and very audible!) noises, I had to MANUALLY do and edit them out. Close to 3,000 total edits were performed for Set I and almost 2,500 edits for this same problem for Set II. This is why it took close to 8 weeks of work to get this show completed. Of course, I was working on other shows as well, but 90% of the time spent on this wonderful show was on literally looking at every second of audio, scrolling slowly forward, to find these problems. It would have been "nicer" if the static pops were almost identical in their waveform, as I could have had the editing software find them for me, and I would just edit them out. But, they varied to much in the way they appeared in the audio, that there was no "automatic" way to find these little buggers. I spent close to 120 hours on finding these items, but then I was done, I only had to "eliminate" less than 45 total seconds from the entire show, due to my not being able to correct the static noise by simply removing the offending part of the sample (each static "pop" was approximately 0.00025 seconds in length, so just eliminating the deformed part of the waveform too very little time away from the entire show), but having to eliminate an entire sample or part of a waveform (about 0.001 seconds in length). But the elimination of these annoying parts did not affect the way the end result audio sounds. There's no "stuttering" or noticeable missing audio. By performing the editing the way I did, it eliminated all of this "unwanted perverting" of the audio. There are only a few very minor pops left, which could not be eliminated without affecting the audio as a whole, so I simply lowered the volume of the offending noise, so it's just barely perceptible. With the usual amount of original RTR analog tape hiss from the decks being used at the slow speed, plus the analog transfer of the RTR > PCM (they did not do it in the digital domain for reasons I cannot divulge here), there was a fair amount of hiss throughout Sets I and II. I was able to reduce the amount by more than 85%, but there is still a very slight amount of hiss left, which is only noticeable during the between-song lulls, tunings, and the stage announcement, and ONLY if you have your audio cranked up REALLY HIGH! The amount of hiss I was able to remove, without affecting the audio, was so "massive", there were parts of the between song lulls where the band members were talking amongst themselves, etc., and that could not be heard at all, due to the original hiss. Now, you are able to hear EVERYTHING that was originally fed into the RTR decks! Set III: This came from a totally different set of archive tapes, which had more underlying hiss to them (due to the extra PCM transfer in the lineage), but the overall audio was better them most of the versions out there. So, even more noise reduction using different techniques, was used, and the result was close (and to a slight degree, even better than the Set I/II reduction!). There was a point, beginning with "Sing Me Back Home", where you could hear that someone did some adjustment to the RTR deck, and this hiss rose dramatically from that point to the end of the show. So, not only was I faced with a "different" type of hiss, I had to now "match" the EQ curve of the audio to anything prior to that song! It was a lot of work, but it was also a lot of fun, as this was one of my most challenging releases of a show I had ever attempted. Overall, there is a LOT more total show audio than in almost all of the versions in circulation. Close to 10 minutes of "additional material" is in this release. To perform all of the special static noise, I had to revert to converting the show from it's usual 16-bit/48.0 kHz data rate to the highest rates my software, sound card, and digital mixer can handle, which is 32-bit / 192 kHz sampling rate! This is better than DVD's audio, which is 24-bit/96 kHz sampling. But I needed to see more of the waveform, and to be able to manipulate the waveforms in such a precise manner. When I "down-converted" the audio to the standard for CD's, which is 16-bit / 44.1 kHz, I was able to move the quantization noise up into the 20 kHz range, which is well past the point if human hearing. Also, since this show contained very little in the way of high levels of audio above 14 kHz, it did not affect the "harmonics" and the subtle nuances which a lot of people would hear up in the 18-20 kHz audio range with a lot of music. So, everyone will hear all of the audio just as is was recorded onto the RTR decks, only with a much cleaner sound. I had to perform very little in the way of "trimming" of the show's audio for the reel flips and the PCM tape changes. From my editing notes, I was able to remove just under 50 total seconds of total show audio to perform the necessary crossfades. This is the best I could do with the masters I received, and I hope that everyone is happy with the results. I certainly was, and I am never totally happy with my "final release" versions of any show I've ever worked on! Uploaded exclusively to GDLive.com by: John "Jay" Serafin, owner/audio engineer @ Serafin Station Studio B "Making Kindness Dubs For Everyone!" No Profits Or Copyright Infringements EVER! Web Info: http://members.home.com/kinddubs E-Mail: [email protected] Grateful Dead 08/27/72 "Springfield Creamery Benefit" Old Renaissance Fairground, Veneta OR Lineage: (SET I and II) SBD > Re-Mixed Master RTR > DAT > SSSB Lineage: (SET III) SBD > Re-Mixed Master RTR > PCM (via analog inputs and outputs) > DAT > SSSB Disc 1 Set 1 gd72-08-27d1t01 05:55.154 Stage Announcements, Intros, Gift Presentations gd72-08-27d1t02 03:31.615 The Promised Land gd72-08-27d1t03 09:15.142 Sugaree gd72-08-27d1t04 03:26.284 Me & My Uncle gd72-08-27d1t05 05:59.371 Deal gd72-08-27d1t06 06:29.189 Black-Throated Wind gd72-08-27d1t07 02:54.501 Stage Announcements gd72-08-27d1t08 06:50.124 China Cat Sunflower -> gd72-08-27d1t09 07:11.195 -> I Know You Rider gd72-08-27d1t10 02:25.640 Stage Announcements gd72-08-27d1t11 04:02.117 Mexicali Blues gd72-08-27d1t12 05:52.303 Bertha Total time: 1:03:52.599 Disc 2 Set 2 gd72-08-27d2t01 05:46.072 Playing In The Band -> gd72-08-27d2t02 12:58.731 -> Playin' Jam -> gd72-08-27d2t03 03:04.497 -> Playing In The Band Reprise gd72-08-27d2t04 02:12.830 Stage Announcements gd72-08-27d2t05 09:07.728 He's Gone gd72-08-27d2t06 02:51.608 Stage Announcements gd72-08-27d2t07 06:03.697 Jack Straw gd72-08-27d2t08 12:32.493 Bird Song gd72-08-27d2t09 01:04.450 Stage Announcements gd72-08-27d2t10 05:30.255 Greatest Story Ever Told Total time: 1:01:12.361 Disc 3 Set 3 gd72-08-27d3t01 13:06.170 Dark Star -> gd72-08-27d3t02 18:30.692 -> "Jazz Star" Jam -> gd72-08-27d3t03 05:15.922 -> El Paso gd72-08-27d3t04 11:22.972 Sing Me Back Home gd72-08-27d3t05 00:49.914 Stage Announcements gd72-08-27d3t06 08:44.026 Sugar Magnolia gd72-08-27d3t07 02:57.378 Stage Announcements Total time: 1:00:45.074 Disc 4 Set 3 Cont'd gd72-08-27d4t01 07:00.520 Casey Jones gd72-08-27d4t02 05:28.586 One More Saturday Night gd72-08-27d4t03 02:02.090 Stage Announcements Total time: 0:14:31.196
ken herschfield (1/0) / 2 A A View  
Flynn Heiss (1/0) / 0 View 3328
Jorge Rivas (1/0) CD / 3 View 152 SBD MR > DAT > CDR > EAC > SHN
jason neely (1/0) SHN / 2 View   ftp.gdlive.com
Greg Miller (1/5) SHN / 2 View 3328 SBD->two-track MR->DAT->Sonic Solutions->CDR->EAC-> Sound Forge Edit (analog...
Notes: SBD->two-track MR->DAT->Sonic Solutions->CDR->EAC-> Sound Forge Edit (analog pop removal using pencil tool)-> Sound Forge Pitch Shift (antialias filter followed by pitch shift of +19 cents)
Robert Grah (1/4.6) CDR / 3 A- View   Master Betty Reel>PCM>DAT>ZA2>CD>EAC>SHN
Notes: "Field Trip" Compendium sites as one their most important shows in regards to style & development
JD Cohen (1/4.9) CDR / 3 A View  
Notes: SBD
Jason Sangster (1/5) CD / 3 A+ A+ View   SBD
Notes: SBD
Page (1/5) CDR / 3 A- View 8045 SBD > MReel (4-track @ 7.5ips) > PCM/1 (set3 is PCM/2) > DAT > SSSB editing > SHN > shntool (fix...
Notes: This is a betty board circulation and not the movie circulation that Orf used. I can understand why this is billed as the "2nd most favorite show" by Deadheads. Highlights are a nice Jack Straw, a wonderfully frantic feeling Greatest Story and Sugar Magnolia, and a sweet Jazz>El Paso that comes out of nowhere just to name a few. The only detractor is the (IMHO) absimal China Cat but a nice recovery after the start of Rider.
Greg Reihing (1/0) / 0 View  
Dave (1/0) / 0 View  
OldABBFan (1/0) / 3 View  
chris (1/0) / 0 A View  
Erik Harrington (1/0) SHN / 3 A A View 2199
Jesse (1/5) shn / 2 DVD View   SBD->two-track MR->DAT->Sonic Solutions->CDR->EAC-> Sound Forge Edit (analog...
jtklaw (1/5) CDR / 3 View  
Kenneth (1/5) CD-R / 3 View  
captain23 (1/5) shn / 2 View 4682 SBD>16 Track Master Reels>[email protected]>DAT>DAT>WAV>SHN
Chris (1/5) CDR / 3 A View 152 SBD master>dat>cdr>eac>shn
Eddieb (1/5) shn / 2 View 8045 SBD see info file
Rob Long (1/0) CDR / 3 View 8045
Notes: MISSING DISK 4
Thomas Raymo (1/5) SHN / 2 View 3328
Notes: OK
Meaty (1/0) shn / 2 mbr View 2199