Grateful Dead 11/16/1970

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Set I

Good Lovin'*

Set II

Casey Jones, Friend Of The Devil, Cold Rain And Snow, I'm A King Bee > China Cat Sunflower, Jam > I Know You Rider, Mama Tried, Truckin' > The Other One, Hard To Handle, Big Railroad Blues, Drums > Not Fade Away > Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad > Not Fade Away, Uncle John's Band

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*with Jorma Kaukonen- could be from Hot Tuna's set with Dead members sitting in; Other artist(s): Hot Tuna; NRPS; note setlist update 9/2004: according to deadlists.com, this date's set 2 may have been what has circulated for years labelled as "Andersen Theater 11/23/70"

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SBDMR> DAT> CD-r> EAC> SHN; fits on 1x80; retracked and seeded by Mike Lai; reportedly chopped up, as are previous seeds

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SBD:MR>Revox deck (model unknown): 10" ? track Reel @ 7.5ips > Revox B77 playback deck > Alesis Masterlink ML9600 > CD > EAC > Cool Edit 2000 > SHN. A>D by Bill Gadsden. encoding Dave Winters. (Note: Other shn sets assign this music to 11/23/70).

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flac16; SBD > RR > ? > ? > Cassette; Transfer Info: Nak MR2 Deck > Cassette > WAV >Soundforge > FLAC

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flac16; Partial; Lineage: aud>?>Rich>nak>nak dolby C> XLII C90, from Rich Petlock; Transfer: Dragon dolby C>UA55>usb> Audacity>TLH>flac16

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User (active/rating)	Media / #	Sound	Details	DB Source	User Source
John (1/5)	CDR / 2		View
Thomas Key (1/0)	shn / 1		View	4734
Notes:	also have traffic opening set
John Banks (1/5)	CDR / 1	A+	View
Notes:	NYC
Tom Carberry (1/0)	SHN (1) / 2		View	17361
Paul McFadyen (1/5)	SHN / 1	A	View	17361	SBD:MR>Revox deck (model unknown): 10" � track Reel @ 7.5ips>Revox B77 playback...
Notes:	This is the updated, re-dated version of show that previously circulated as 11/23/70 - see SHN link for full info
Warren Oates (1/5)	cdr / 2		View		SBD:MR>Revox deck (model unknown): 10" � track Reel @ 7.5ips>Revox B77 playback...
elkhartadam (1/0)	SHN / 1		View	4734	SBD
Notes:	Choppy, but best known source Special guests Will Scarlet, Steve Winwood, and Ramblin' Jack Elliot
Cotsman (1/5)	CDR / 2		View		SBD>MR>D>CD; Uncle Johns provided by SBD>MR>D>FM>C>C>CD
Notes:	m: China Cat; with guests Steve Winwood, Ramblin' Jack Elliot, Will Scarlett, Jim Capaldi
flatlandman (1/0)	/ 2		View
Seymour Young (1/0)	/ 0		View	4734
Brian Altman (1/0)	CDR / 1		View
Notes:	SBD> MR> DAT> CD-R> EAC> SHN
Ed Cochran (1/0)	CD / 1	A	View		SBDMR>DAT>CD>EAC>.shn
Notes:	"...quite a few cuts and missing songs...But what is here is awesome...Tracks may be out of order..."
Clarke (1/0)	SHN / 1		View	4734
nathan ewen (1/5)	cd / 2	A-	View
Notes:	w/ Steve Winwood and more. Hells Angels benefit show.
John Cook (1/0)	aud / 2		View
blackcrowes92 (1/0)	SHN / 1		View	17361
Notes:	SBD:MR>Revox deck (model unknown): 10" ? track Reel @ 7.5ips> Revox B77 playback deck>Alesis Masterlink ML9600>CD> EAC>Cool Edit 2000>SHN.
blackcrowes92 (1/0)	SHN / 1		View	4734
bill d (0/5)	cdr / 1		View
Notes:	sbd:?>cdr(w/12-27-70)
Alessandro (0/0)	/ 0		View
Michael Hotz (0/5)	/ 2		View		MSR > D > CD
Michael Hotz (0/5)	/ 2		View
shnfoobar (0/0)	/ 0		View	135717
1314 (0/0)	shn / 1		View	17361	sbd > master reel > Revox deck (model unknown): 10" ?trk reel (7.5ips) Transfer info: Revox...
Notes:	17361 (winters) This is the concert formerly thought to have taken place on 11/23/70 at the Anderson Theater in New York City. This show has been shrouded in mystery and confusion over the last 50 years ever since it first entered circulation in 1973. However, fresh research has unveiled what is most likely the true story behind this classic Grateful Dead show. On 11/14/70 at Frank Zappa's Fillmore East Late Show, Grace Slick came out on stage, on behalf of Bill Graham, to announce an unscheduled concert featuring the Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane the following Monday, November 16th. As it turned out, the Airplane were in the middle of breaking up and Grace was pregnant. So instead of the Airplane, Hot Tuna filled in to share the bill with the Dead. A few days later, on November 18th and 19th, Traffic played at the Fillmore. There are several pieces of evidence which now point directly to the "11/23/70 Anderson Theater" show being correctly identified as Fillmore East 11/16/70: 1) Traffic has been confirmed, in a letter written by the Kleinhans Music Hall, as having played at the Kleinhans Music Hall, Buffalo, NY on 11/23/70. This firmly places them out of New York City on that date. 2) Bill Graham introduces the Dead. The identification of his voice is clear, as never before, on this new transfer. Bill Graham and the owner of the Anderson Theater were not friendly with each other and Bill Graham would never have introduced the Grateful Dead in the Anderson Theater. 3) A 1:55 snippet of Hot Tuna playing Hesitation Blues precedes the Dead's show on the first generation 10" reel. 4) After Bob Weir sings the Frozen Logger off-mic, several people on stage can be heard attempting to get Jack Casady to join in saying, "Hey Casady, why don't you play" and "Hey Jack, hey Jack, c'mon up". Hot Tuna played on 11/16/70 at the Fillmore and they are not known to have played at the Anderson Theater. 5) An eyewitness who attended the 11/16/70 Fillmore show clearly recalls Steve Winwood and Jorma Kaukonen sitting in with the Dead. 6) Music was commonly played over the P.A. between sets at the Fillmore to promote upcoming shows. Elton John played at the Fillmore East the following weekend, November 20th and 21st as the warm up for Leon Russell. This was his first New York City appearance. 7) On page 382 in his book Long Strange Trip, Dennis McNally mentions this show as being from the Fillmore East, 11/16/70. 8) Finally, the 7" reels, from which all previously circulating copies were made, are labelled (albeit misdated) "Fillmore Nov 2, 70". Therefore, the misnomer "Anderson Theater, 11/23/70" must have occurred sometime after the tapes entered circulation in 1973. It should be noted that the Grateful Dead did perform at the Anderson Theater on 11/23/70, however, no verified recordings of that event apparently circulate. The order in which the songs occur has often been confused throughout the years. Breaks do occur in the recording so it cannot be said with absolute certainty that the order is correct. However, the current order is taken directly from the first generation 10" reel, making the likelihood of rearrangement negligible. If anything, any re-ordering occurred subsequent to its release into circulation in 1973. The placement of Elton John's recording of Honky-Tonk Women played over the house P.A. after only two songs remains a mystery. There is also an AUD fragment from 11/16/70 of Good Lovin' with Jorma, Jack and Papa John Creach sitting in. Exactly where this jam fits in is not known. Clearly, the music we have does not represent the entire show. Precisely what guest musicians appear in this recording and which tunes they play on may never be known. Any further intelligence on the matter would most certainly be welcome. Steve Winwood took over Pigpen's Hammond organ beginning with Hard To Handle and he can clearly be heard through the end of Not Fade Away. Will Scarlet from Hot Tuna plays harp and his playing is evident during Big Railroad Blues, Truckin'>The Other One and Uncle John's Band. Three separate cheers arise from the crowd prior to Hard To Handle; the second of which is for Steve Winwood's arrival on stage. Who or what precipitated the other two cheers is impossible to tell. In the process of deciding what to play prior to the commencement of Mama Tried, Phil Lesh and Bob Weir can be heard to say, "What songs do you guys know?" "Yeah, you guys name a tune." From this we can deduce that at least two other guest musicians were present on stage, however none of them can be discerned in the Mama Tried that follows. Other than Will Scarlet's harp work during Truckin'>The Other One and Uncle John's Band, an organ can be heard in the first few minutes of Truckin', but then mysteriously vanishes from the mix. This new transfer represents a significant upgrade to all previously circulating versions. It is a direct A>D transfer from the original, first generation 10" ¼ track reels, as opposed to the 7" reels which Bill Gadsden originally copied in 1973; and again transferred A>D via Alesis Masterlink in 2000. The 7" reels are one, if not two, generations further removed from the 10" first generation source.
BarryW (0/0)	/ 0		View	17361	LL 10-8-07
Brian (0/0)	CDR / 2		View	17361
Seth (0/5)	SHN / 2		View	17361
Mike Falzone (0/0)	CDR / 0		View
Manfred Jungeblut (0/0)	/ 0		View	4734
Manfred Jungeblut (0/0)	/ 0		View	17361
ags (0/0)	cdr / 2		View	17361	zomb
Notes:	shn

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