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Pink Floyd 02/18/81
Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, West Germany
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Set I
In The Flesh
The Thin Ice
Another Brick In The Wall I
The Happiest Days Of Our Lives
Another Brick In The Wall II
Mother
Goodbye Blue Sky
What Shall We Do Now?
Young Lust
One Of My Turns
Don't Leave Me Now
Another Brick In The Wall III
Goodbye Cruel World
Hey You
Is There Anybody Out There?
Nobody Home
Vera
Bring The Boys Back Home
Comfortably Numb
The Show Must Go On
In The Flesh?
Run Like Hell
Waiting For The Worms
Stop
The Trial
Outside The Wall
Set II
 
Set III
 
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bluibootleg (1/0) SHN / 2 View   Audience
Martin McNally (1/0) SHN / 2 View   AUD
Notes: PRRP031 BETWEEN A WALL AND A HARD PLACE 663MB
Paul Russell (1/4.6) cdr / 2 A- View  
Notes: great sounding audience show
fleaibe (1/5) FLAC / 2 A View   Master Cass > SHN > PRRP Re-master > CD "Between a Wall and a Hard Place"
Notes: The show presented here is the 6th German performance and was seen on February 18th, 1981. We were fortunate to obtain both a CD copy of the master tape and copies of pictures taken at that event. In addition, during each Wall show, Roger Waters would present a unique dialogue before the song "Run like Hell". On this night, Roger says: “Thank you, thank you. Do you like our pig? He doesn't seem to like you very much. Go on, piss off pig. We're not very keen on animals...the only good animal is a dead animal! In a minute, we're going to play a number for all the asteroids in the audience. It's called 'Run Like Hell,' and we can all CLAP, OUR HANDS! And it's gonna be fun!” Overall, the remaster and artwork project turned out well in our estimation. In fact, with the reduction of noise and improvement in clarity the attentive listener may even hear the click of a near-by camera, especially during the song “Goodbye Cruel World”. Was it the man who took the pictures we used? We will never know…Maybe! In any case, the Wall show was so rich with astonishing images and special effects that any photographer would have been at a loss as to where and when to click ! The amazing inflatable figures, based on Gerald Scarfe’s unique depictions of the story’s protagonists, alone were worth an entire roll of film ! The Wall show was laced with astonishing images that started with the first outburst of music and culminated with the final tearing down of the wall. Outside of the inflatable figures, endless projections of photographs and film made to enhance the story kept the audience in suspense, wondering what would come next. The surprise appearance of David Gilmour on top of the wall during the song “Comfortably Numb” is another fine example of just how mind-blowing the Wall show really was. Lucky audiences who attended any one of these shows will most surely remember them forever. So, why did we choose this title? "Between a Wall and a Hard Place", we think, symbolizes what The Wall is all about...the fact that we all live our lives with our backs against a wall, even if it is one that we build ourselves. Waters built a wall around himself to get away from the memories of his lost father, his ever-growing uneasiness with the huge crowds of rock concerts and the broken relationships brought forth by incessant writing and touring. In the end, he either had to express this on the famous double album or just go mad. The world is a hard place, and we all build walls to shelter from its realities, but if we hide behind them for too long, or too well, we end up alone. We all have to choose between a wall and a hard place. Most of us choose the hard place because, at least, we are not alone in it ! “The Wall” was an exorcism of sorts for Roger Waters and expressing his anger in that way must have been quite liberating for him, but in the process he built another wall between his vision and his band mates, one that destroyed what had been, up until then, a wonderful association. “The Wall” was to be the end of an era. Notes from the Re-Master Choosing a Wall show to do was the first step of this project. Some have already been remastered very well so we did not want to duplicate other people’s efforts. After reviewing all the shows we found that some had good remastered versions, some had no remastered versions but very poor quality master tapes and only a few had good quality master tapes but no significant remaster. The Dortmund February 18th, 1981 show was the one we felt we could help the most. We began with a SHN copy of the master tape. Upon initial review, the recording was found to be complete with tape flips occurring during applause so no patches of music were necessary. The quality of the recording was also felt to be very good but a number of problems were obviously present that needed correction. First, the Hiss noise was bothersome and obscured some of the details of the show. To make things more difficult, the hiss varied and was particularly pronounced during the acoustic guitar sections. Disc 2 also had a different Hiss profile than disc 1 suggesting that they might have been recorded on two different tapes. This called for multiple and variable noise reduction techniques to be used. Now, with much of the hiss removed, you can occasionally hear the click of a camera from someone close to the recorder taking pictures. This is particularly obvious during Goodbye Cruel World. Clicks and pops were also found and removed manually. Where whistles and other audience noises were excessive, they were reduced. Balance was also a major issue early on. The left channel was much lower than the right and was normalized with the right during dynamic adjustments. In general, the tonality needed a small correction. A bit of a bass boost and cut in the midrange helped to make the bass guitar a bit more noticeable and reduced the harshness of the guitar solos. Selective dynamic adjustment of tonality was also used where necessary. Dynamics were adjusted to increase the dramatic character of the show. Tracking was found to be incomplete. On disc 1 separate tracks were made for MC Introduction, Empty Spaces and A few Last bricks. Disc two was missing a separate track for In The Flesh. The whole show was re-tracked using the live, commercially available Is There Anybody Out There? as a reference source. Track gaps were found and eliminated during this process. The final major issue in remastering the show was speed correction. Disc 1 had a gradually changing speed error that began as a stretch and ended as a compression. Using the commercial live version of the show as a reference, the magnitude of this error was calculated and the speed correction algorithm was applied. Disc 2 had more of a flat speed error that was also easily corrected. PRRP Staff CD1 1-1. Master Of Ceremonies 1:45 1-2. In The Flesh ? 2:58 1-3. The Thin Ice 2:43 1-4. Another Brink In The Wall (Pt. 1) 4:32 1-5. The Happiest Days Of Our Lives 1:41 1-6. Another Brink In The Wall (Pt. 2) 6:24 1-7. Mother 7:55 1-8. Goodbye Blue Sky 3:57 1-9. Empty Spaces 2:33 1-10. What Shall We Do Now ? 1:54 1-11. Young Lust 5:20 1-12. One Of My Turns 3:48 1-13. Don't Leave Me Now 4:13 1-14. Another Brink In The Wall (Pt. 3) 1:15 1-15. The Last Few Bricks 3:25 1-16. Goodbye Cruel World 2:11 CD2 2-1. Hey You 4:52 2-2. Is There Anybody Out There ? 3:12 2-3. Nobody Home 4:02 2-4. Vera 1:20 2-5. Bring The Boys Back Home 1:17 2-6. Comfortably Numb 7:23 2-7. The Show Must Go On 2:41 2-8. Master Of Ceremonies 2:33 2-9. In The Flesh 4:20 2-10. Run Like Hell 7:27 2-11. Waiting For The Worms 4:27 2-12. Stop 0:31 2-13. The Trial 6:30 2-14. Outside The Wall 3:05 PINK FLOYD Roger Waters - Bass and Vocals David Gilmour - Guitars and Vocals Rick Wright - Keyboards Nick Mason - Drums THE SURROGATE BAND Andy Brown- Bass Guitar Andy Roberts- Guitar Willie Wilson- Drums Peter Wood - Keyboards BACKING VOCALISTS Joe Chemay- Backing Vocals Jim Farber- Backing Vocals Jim Haas- Backing Vocals John Joyce- Backing Vocals SPECIAL GUEST Wili Tomsik- Backing Vocals
tarkus22 (1/5) SHN / 2 View  
Notes: BETWEEN A WALL AND A HARD PLACE (PRRP031)
richegreen (1/5) FLAC / 1 A View  
Notes: The Wall album show
Keith Fountain (1/5) cdr/flac / 2 View  
Paramnesiac (1/4.7) CD / 2 A A View   Cass (M) > SHN > PRRP Re-master > CD "Between a Wall and a Hard Place" PRRP031 > WAV...
Notes: Roger Waters - Bass and Vocals David Gilmour - Guitars and Vocals Rick Wright - Keyboards Nick Mason - Drums THE SURROGATE BAND Andy Brown- Bass Guitar Andy Roberts- Guitar Willie Wilson- Drums Peter Wood - Keyboards BACKING VOCALISTS Joe Chemay- Backing Vocals Jim Farber- Backing Vocals Jim Haas- Backing Vocals John Joyce- Backing Vocals SPECIAL GUEST Wili Tomsik- Backing Vocals Why A Wall? In 1977 Pink Floyd was one of the most successful bands in England. Albums like Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and Animals had brought them money, fame and influence…but all was not well. Both artistic and financial problems existed. There have been many explanations given for how the next project The Wall developed but this one comes from Roger Waters in an interview with the BBC in 1990: “The album and the concert developed out of me doing a tour with PF in 1977 with an album called Animals that we had out then. We toured America and played only in large outdoor stadiums, lots and lots of them, finishing up in the Olympic Stadium in Montreal. And I loathed it, I thought it was disgusting in every way, and I kept saying to people 'I'm not really enjoying this, you know, there is something very wrong with this'. And the answer to that was 'oh really? Yeah well, do you know we grossed over four million dollars today' and this went on more and more. 'Do you know how many people--98,000 people here' and it began to dawn on me that the only thing anybody was interested in was the grosses. Which is not why I got into music really? And so at a certain point something in my brain snapped, and I thought this is awful, and so I developed the idea of doing a rock concert where we built a wall across the front of the stage, that divided the audience from the performers, because it was a wall that I felt was really there, and that was not a physical wall, an invisible one.” –R. Waters As reported by Povey and Russell in their book In The Flesh, despite their popularity, Pink Floyd also had serious financial difficulties at the end of the Animals tour. At that point, Waters had two new projects for the band to consider: The Pros and Cons of Hitch-Hiking and The Wall. For both artistic and financial reasons, The Wall was chosen with expectations of an album, a tour and a movie. Recording began in November 1978 and took one full year using both Superbear studios in France and the Los Angeles Production Workshop. Though the general concept for The Wall and its musical components were the creation of Roger Waters, Bob Ezrin was asked to join the project and help with the production of the show. War….What Is It Good For? The Wall is thought to have many themes and messages but one of the most prominent is the impact of war on survivors who have lost family members to its violence. Though Waters has denied that The Wall is autobiographical, the loss of his own father during World War II seems to be portrayed in one of the first scenes of the show. Phil Rose, in his book Which Ones Pink? notes this to be one of the first “Bricks in the Wall”. For the main character –Pink- the subsequent inability to form close, mature relationships is thought by many to be the main issue of the story and has its roots in the loss of his father at an early age. This emotional trauma not only affects Pink but also his mother. She is portrayed as over protective of her son, the only remaining member of her family. Yet, at other times she is distant and aloof as Pink is also a constant reminder of the loss of her husband. The song “The Thin Ice” shows how this significant loss is further compounded by the mother’s attempts to protect her son from grief. In reality, this is just a failure on her part to help him mourn the loss of his father. Rather than understand that his father is dead, Pink has no choice but to think that he has abandoned his family. “Daddy, what d’ya leave behind for me?” is Pink’s expression of anger at his lack of understanding of the situation. With no father, Pink grows up looking for replacement father figures. Sadly, the school master not only fails to fulfill this role as a nurturing male role model, he actually compounds Pink’s fragile emotional state with ridicule and criticism…”Another Brick in the Wall”. The lack of connection to others stems in part from the lack of connection to his father and is repeatedly symbolized by an incomplete telephone call. As Rose explains, there is then a progression in this emotional pathology: The remorse that Pink feels over the (eventually acknowledged) loss of his father to the evils of Fascist Germany is transferred into his own Fascist hatred and is directed at his audience. The importance of this single loss and the futility of war are further emphasized by Waters by the inclusion of the song “When the Tigers Broke Free” in the movie version of The Wall and the development of the next album, The Final Cut. The Wall in Germany….Or…The German Wall It is quite interesting that Pink Floyd chose Dortmund, Germany to be one of only four cities in the world that would see a live Wall performance. Though the show describes the development of an emotional and psychological wall, at the time of these Dortmund shows, the German people were coping with a physical wall –the Berlin Wall. It is ironic that on July 21st, 1990 Roger Waters returned to Germany to perform The Wall once again in celebration of the fall of this barrier and the reuniting of the country. The show must have been difficult for the German audience on a number of levels. Again, the death of Pink’s (Water’s) father at the hand of the German army is made clear at the beginning of the show. With the multiple psychological difficulties for Pink clearly developing after this event, blaming the German Nazi’s for Pink’s dysfunctional life is certainly understandable. Gerald Scarfe’s animation sequences during the show only reinforce the destructiveness of war and the Nazis as one of the clear villains of the story. The Marching Hammers, the Nazi-like arm bands, the morphing of a dove into a menacing German eagle and Pink’s own transformation into a Hitleresque figure during “In The Flesh” are just some examples of this clear portrayal of the German army as evil. It is therefore also ironic that the Red Army Choir was used on stage during the 1990 performance. And yet, the audience viewing these shows must have understood Water’s message since most of them in 1981 would have had no memory of a unified Germany and therefore would likely empathize with Pink (and Waters) when presented a story about separation and barriers. Our Wall There were 31 total Wall shows and 8 of them occurred in Germany. The show presented here is the 6th German performance and was seen on February 18th, 1981. We were fortunate to obtain both a CD copy of the master tape and copies of pictures taken at that event. In addition, during each Wall show, Roger Waters would present a unique dialogue before the song "Run like Hell". On this night, Roger says: “Thank you, thank you. Do you like our pig? He doesn't seem to like you very much. Go on, piss off pig. We're not very keen on animals...the only good animal is a dead animal! In a minute, we're going to play a number for all the asteroids in the audience. It's called 'Run Like Hell,' and we can all CLAP, OUR HANDS! And it's gonna be fun!” Overall, the remaster and artwork project turned out well in our estimation. In fact, with the reduction of noise and improvement in clarity the attentive listener may even hear the click of a near-by camera, especially during the song “Goodbye Cruel World”. Was it the man who took the pictures we used? We will never know…Maybe! In any case, the Wall show was so rich with astonishing images and special effects that any photographer would have been at a loss as to where and when to click ! The amazing inflatable figures, based on Gerald Scarfe’s unique depictions of the story’s protagonists, alone were worth an entire roll of film ! The Wall show was laced with astonishing images that started with the first outburst of music and culminated with the final tearing down of the wall. Outside of the inflatable figures, endless projections of photographs and film made to enhance the story kept the audience in suspense, wondering what would come next. The surprise appearance of David Gilmour on top of the wall during the song “Comfortably Numb” is another fine example of just how mind-blowing the Wall show really was. Lucky audiences who attended any one of these shows will most surely remember them forever. So, why did we choose this title? "Between a Wall and a Hard Place", we think, symbolizes what The Wall is all about...the fact that we all live our lives with our backs against a wall, even if it is one that we build ourselves. Waters built a wall around himself to get away from the memories of his lost father, his ever-growing uneasiness with the huge crowds of rock concerts and the broken relationships brought forth by incessant writing and touring. In the end, he either had to express this on the famous double album or just go mad. The world is a hard place, and we all build walls to shelter from its realities, but if we hide behind them for too long, or too well, we end up alone. We all have to choose between a wall and a hard place. Most of us choose the hard place because, at least, we are not alone in it ! “The Wall” was an exorcism of sorts for Roger Waters and expressing his anger in that way must have been quite liberating for him, but in the process he built another wall between his vision and his band mates, one that destroyed what had been, up until then, a wonderful association. “The Wall” was to be the end of an era.
Jason (1/4.9) shn / 1 View   The Wall Live Dortmund 18 Feb 1981
hippie9101969 (0/0) SHN>WAV / 2 A View   AUD
Mark Mazur (0/5) shn / 1 A- View   aud master tape
Notes: PRRP031 - "Between A Wall and a Hard Place"
kevin metzger (0/0) cd-r / 2 View  
TugMcG (0/0) CD / 2 View  
hoboken (0/0) / 0 A View  
Tim Blake (0/5) SHN / 2 View   Progressive Rock Remaster Project: PRRP031
Notes: Between a Wall and a Hard Place. 663MB
Mike (0/0) SHN / 2 View  
Notes: 663mb
Lawrence (0/2) cdr / 2 View  
ryan (0/0) / 0 View  
Jeff (0/0) / 0 View  
scott (0/5) / 2 View  
tunaguitar (0/0) shn / 2 View  
Zach (0/0) shn / 0 View  
Notes: The Wall Live
Pink Floyd Maintence Account (0/0) / 0 View