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03/11/2003 | Ryan |
After listening on two different cd players and two different headphones I'm convinced that this recording is strong in the right channel. It's like everything is coming from the right channel and the left channel only serves as an source of ambience. I'd go as far as saying the Jerry Moore was left of center with as much information that comes from the right channel, definitly if he was recording with his mics set up to record a stereo field. Of course, if he was using hand held mics, wow, hard to stand still for a 3+ hour show. But yeah, unless my burner is messed up in some strange way, this recording is right side heavy, with the vocals, and all instruments seeming to come from the right side. Now I'm not saying there is nothing in the left channel, I'm just saying the music is coming from the right. I even switched the headphones around to make sure I wasn't losing my hearing in one ear and I got the same results, a unbalance that resulted in the music being very off-center. Listen to this on headphones and you'll hear exactly what I'm talking about. Plus there is a irritating tape wobble that begins at the beginning of track 10 on disc one. I doubt there is a way to fix this, unless it occured on the Tascam 122MKIII cassette deck during the transfer to DAT, or it's on the master. As far as the left/right balance, I think this could be fixed guys. My reason to post this is not to talk shit about this recording, because despite these flaws, and they do suck, this recording is awesome, and said observations just might be un-noticeable if I didn't have headphones on. Just in the first 10 to 30 seconds I hear this girl/woman giggling and it gets me excited, you know what I mean? Plus I didn't see any other comments regarding these observations. And if I just happen to have some messed up shn's (from J. Jupille himself) that I burned off of, SOMEBODY! please send me a good copy! |
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03/11/2003 | Joe Jupille | If the md5s check out, it's definittly not specific to the .shns I sent you. If they don't check out, it's almost certainly still not from the .shn's, but I do owe you a set that does verify so you can be sure. | |
03/11/2003 | Sean Cribbs | And isn't Jerry on the wrong side of the stage? | |
03/12/2003 | Noah Weiner |
> As far as the left/right balance, I think this could > be fixed guys. This line has been just ringing in my brain for the last 24 hours. Something about you using the word "guys" to cap it all off. Like we absent mindedly blew it. You think this could be fixed? You think maybe it never occurred to anyone to think about the left/right balance before you let us know it could be fixed? Just to concern myself with the non-emotional side of this issue, let me say that the left/right balance of this recording is certainly an issue. It is an issue I pondered over even back when I transferred the other version listed at etree (see my notes on that one). When looking at the wav of the entire show itself, the balance issue is not a matter of low recording levels on the left and high levels on the right. It wasn't a tech problem with mics or deck. It was just what went down on tape that night. There are a number of times where the left channel equals or exceeds the right. Lots of them are in Phil's low end. Not a bunch, but enough to tell you, when looking at the wav, that this is a balanced recording of a soundscape that tended to lean right. Was Moore actually sitting far right and pointing his mics out straight (not at the stage), against what he has told us he did? Is he keeping a dirty secret from us on this show? Ask him yourself. He's hanging around DNC these days sharing his wisdom and memories all the time. I agree it is odd that the balance issue throws most everything to the right. But the issue of fixing it is an entirely different matter. For it to be fixed, it needs to be broken first. While creating this digital version of the show, I pondered (and probably tested) boosting the left channel. But this would only have been the best option if in doing so, it corrected an imbalance inherent on the tape itself. How would one know this? The noise floor. Is the hiss balanced as is? [yes, it is] During the spaces between songs would you hear *more* hiss pouring off the left side than the right if you boosted the left? [yes you would] Because you would hear a *forced* increase in levels on the left, I chose to reproduce the source in it's most natural state. Could you (Ryan) fix the balance issue as you see fit and distribute the show yourself? Of course you could. Have at. Would you be crossing a line of *tinkering* that the taper and/or other collectors might find intrusive? Hard to say. To each his own, after all. Or better yet, go find another master that was better recorded, and have that taper allow you to transfer the master so all of us can have a better copy. We all live for upgrades. I'll refrain from commenting on your need to be miracled another copy of the SHNs for this show. |