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Phish 07/30/03
Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
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Source # 19821 Other Sources
Entered by Matt Vernon
Checksums shn-md5-original , shn-md5-alternate , st5-alternate
Disc Counts 2 / 3
Media Size
Date Circulated
Date Added
< 10/06/03
10/07/2003
Source Summary FOB Schoeps mk4v (ORTF) > kcy > VMS5u > mod. SBM-1 > M1; DA-P1 > Echo MIA > Soundforge 6.0 > CDWav > mkwACT > SHN; Note: this is the same source as this seed but contains patches from another FOB mk4v source to eliminate level changes. 
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Phish
Tweeter Center
Camden, NJ
July 30, 2003 (Wednesday)

Source: Schoeps mk4v (ortf) > kcy actives > VMS_5u > modSBM1 > M1
(FOB - sec 102, Row Q, seat 15)
transfer: DAP1 > Echo MIA > Soundforge6.0 > CDWave > MKWact

some patchwork: chalkdust->taste was mixed/patched with a second mk4v FOB source to try and
fix some very noticable level adjustments. Handywork done once again by Matt "Shakedown".
the resident etree IRC mixmaster!!

DISC 1:
-------
Set 1
1. My Friend, My Friend
2. Lonesome Cowboy Bill
3. Scents and Subtle Sounds
4. You Ain't Goin' Nowhere
5. Spock's Brain
6. Chalk Dust Torture
7. On Your Way Down

DISC 2:
-------
1. Fast Enough For You >
2. Taste
Set 2
3. Twist
4. Bug
5. You Enjoy Myself >
6. Vocal Jam

DISC 3:
--------
1. Walls of the Cave
Encore:
2. Secret Smile

- - - - - alternate fix info file - - - - - - -
Phish
Tweeter Center
Camden, NJ
July 30, 2003 (Wednesday)

Source: Schoeps mk4v (ortf) > kcy actives > VMS_5u > modSBM1 > M1
(FOB - sec 102, Row Q, seat 15)
transfer: DAP1 > Echo MIA > Soundforge6.0 > CDWave > MKWact

DISC 1:
-------
Set 1
1. My Friend, My Friend
2. Lonesome Cowboy Bill
3. Scents and Subtle Sounds
4. You Ain't Goin' Nowhere
5. Spock's Brain
6. Chalk Dust Torture
7. On Your Way Down

DISC 2:
-------
1. Fast Enough For You >
2. Taste
Set 2
3. Twist
4. Bug
5. You Enjoy Myself >
6. Vocal Jam

DISC 3:
--------
1. Walls of the Cave
Encore:
2. Secret Smile

fix notes: there are level adjustments in both Chalkdust Torture and Taste, I did my best to fix these with the vector volume tool in WaveLab's Audio Montage function, but it's certainly not perfect.  The most noteable flaw is at the beginning of Taste. -shakedown
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shn-md5-original
341fc21f4b289fc9c987c0e31ca2336e *ph03-07-30d1t01.shn
d9dfc8ae348b67f8b18d7f1d711711a7 *ph03-07-30d1t02.shn
d02e59e2c426c8002deffe786b210cb9 *ph03-07-30d1t03.shn
31e758ac2d6255cff8eebfbd626abecd *ph03-07-30d1t04.shn
c7fd3b0bdddcb3683fc5146bf5beae0e *ph03-07-30d1t05.shn
e6a2c54ac5d746799b71d7b6597baeae *ph03-07-30d1t06.shn
39246501f1abead9f42cc40fec0ce211 *ph03-07-30d1t07.shn
f2238dbcd8bdc0d78ba019430666b986 *ph03-07-30d2t01.shn
e24c1828e0ecce56e6645a308aeae75a *ph03-07-30d2t02.shn
c0c6a18e1a1dcf1d216036862b27441c *ph03-07-30d2t03.shn
53efd59937e6d58a3eb35e553c724c02 *ph03-07-30d2t04.shn
f0040a7e914da3a2f4279a7c425ef670 *ph03-07-30d2t05.shn
abdff8d8160d7a4daf24c825552062b2 *ph03-07-30d2t06.shn
c106cabb24b8086db1493f8c9af7838f *ph03-07-30d3t01.shn
7930b97b5a6d3ae29c13e3c5175aee64 *ph03-07-30d3t02.shn
shn-md5-alternate
b4c1ce03422631289c93664f7a0d8f0a *ph03-07-30D1T01-FIXED.SHN
d02fa9bca309667b5a770a1159f28ad5 *ph03-07-30D1T02-FIXED.SHN
312e140aa64a95ddda4691dc557d28aa *ph03-07-30D1T03-FIXED.SHN
94b24f2f3d2077952fe761c2e46aeb81 *ph03-07-30D1T04-FIXED.SHN
c6c44a6b9832bfb132b7c1905395366c *ph03-07-30D1T05-FIXED.SHN
019498d37ab7015583453bbc676e7c13 *ph03-07-30D1T06-FIXED.SHN
0c3f6af8b3739b5385208058fa13b2a4 *ph03-07-30D1T07-FIXED.SHN
5d7bab27164b744e7f3570831f895e93 *ph03-07-30D2T01-FIXED.SHN
559e6c8f01b2d04f8a66d502f931ad36 *ph03-07-30D2T02-FIXED.SHN
c0c6a18e1a1dcf1d216036862b27441c *ph03-07-30d2t03.SHN
53efd59937e6d58a3eb35e553c724c02 *ph03-07-30d2t04.SHN
f0040a7e914da3a2f4279a7c425ef670 *ph03-07-30d2t05.SHN
abdff8d8160d7a4daf24c825552062b2 *ph03-07-30d2t06.SHN
c106cabb24b8086db1493f8c9af7838f *ph03-07-30d3t01.SHN
7930b97b5a6d3ae29c13e3c5175aee64 *ph03-07-30d3t02.SHN
st5-alternate
feb8e01121689f2751aa811d9b4624bb [shntool] ph03-07-30D1T01-FIXED.SHN
7537c3d82b9e310cfb4ee5e36963e555 [shntool] ph03-07-30D1T02-FIXED.SHN
af6ef19d4d67a91898326273961e02b7 [shntool] ph03-07-30D1T03-FIXED.SHN
a2d4ae8946446cb08160876b0d830261 [shntool] ph03-07-30D1T04-FIXED.SHN
09a87547b4b37cdc12743b23135ac686 [shntool] ph03-07-30D1T05-FIXED.SHN
2c071daba14bc04f2d4f9ed58818f194 [shntool] ph03-07-30D1T06-FIXED.SHN
1ccb4325ba2073247d8ffdbb0a6f8380 [shntool] ph03-07-30D1T07-FIXED.SHN
7b45aa63da431f9b9f6a6cb2cc4443da [shntool] ph03-07-30D2T01-FIXED.SHN
9b9cf82da56e46086fe001fc987333cc [shntool] ph03-07-30D2T02-FIXED.SHN
948256b300a5000dde9f54a46c0a2fb3 [shntool] ph03-07-30d2t03.SHN
688967e1a9afb7a4a3a90b5783e884f9 [shntool] ph03-07-30d2t04.SHN
69f9d3b903b3a7e8c471a8c85396ab8d [shntool] ph03-07-30d2t05.SHN
f3c5c50d78559330b49ae93b23a9e71c [shntool] ph03-07-30d2t06.SHN
2f175ac95b5ed44e3d401779c1cd13f5 [shntool] ph03-07-30d3t01.SHN
09dcfc38dec1a0d6e67f1f50b7b883c4 [shntool] ph03-07-30d3t02.SHN

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01/27/2018 mvernon
There are 4 file sets circulating related to shnids #19640 and #19821

Source 1: #19640 - the original source
Source 2: a source noted by Rob Berg in a comment for #19640, not in the database
Source 3: #19821 - a fixed version of #19640 in the database
Source 4: a source not in database which also claims to be a fixed version of #19640

All 4 sources have same checksums for set 2. They only differ for set 1 checksums.

Source 2 - using st5’s created from source 1 we can show that Source 2 noted by Rob Berg (who listed flac ffp’s in his comment) differs in waveform only in 2 tracks:

ph03-07-30d1t06-fixed CDT
ph03-07-30d2t02.flac Taste

Source 2 appears to be more akin to a shntool header and sbefix. d2t2 differs by 1104 bytes which is the amount the original track was sector misaligned according to shntool. Source 1 d1t6 also had a large header 4096 bytes compared to 44 bytes for source 2. Listening to source 2 it does not appear to be different from source 1.

This comment was left for #19640 (source 1) by allen (aka guy4get)

“there are some very noticable level adjustments in this seed from Chalkdust through Taste. There is a patched version using a second mk4v FOB source. the patchwork was done per request of the taper. i will submit md5s and txt.”

Source 3 : shnid #19821 in db has this note in it’s info file:

“some patchwork: chalkdust->taste was mixed/patched with a second mk4v FOB source to try and
fix some very noticable level adjustments. Handywork done once again by Matt "Shakedown".
the resident etree IRC mixmaster!!”

From the source 3 info file note I was expecting perhaps at most only tracks from CDT (d1t6) to Taste (d2t2) inclusive to show changes.
But every track in set 1 for #19821 has different checksums compared to #19640.

Allen (aka guy4get) is linked to #19821 noting explicitly it is the fixed version of #19640.
So #19821 is assumed to be the fixed version using a patched source as foretold by Allen.

Source 4 is a fixed version not in the database. It has this comment in its info file:

“fix notes: there are level adjustments in both Chalkdust Torture and Taste, I did my best to fix these with the vector volume tool in WaveLab's Audio Montage function, but it's certainly not perfect. The most noteable flaw is at the beginning of Taste. -shakedown”

The md5’s for this source differ in all set 1 checksums from both the original #19640 and from the fix #19821.

From the fix notes I again expected only CDT and Taste tracks to be changed, not all of set 1.
But all set 1 tracks have changes from original in timing as shown in the shntool output.

- - - Source 1 set 1 shntool timings

length expanded size cdr WAVE problems fmt ratio filename
6:41.11 70762316 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.6223 ph03-07-30d1t01.shn
4:13.11 44655116 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5435 ph03-07-30d1t02.shn
30:36.14 323903372 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5269 ph03-07-30d1t03.shn
5:29.51 58155596 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5508 ph03-07-30d1t04.shn
5:47.40 61304924 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5966 ph03-07-30d1t05.shn
10:22.10 109748416 B --- h- ---xx shn 0.6392 ph03-07-30d1t06.shn
7:52.05 83272604 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5344 ph03-07-30d1t07.shn
6:56.06 73396556 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5420 ph03-07-30d2t01.shn
10:23.52 110020652 B -b- -- ---xx shn 0.5520 ph03-07-30d2t02.shn
88:21.50 935219552 B 0.5589 (9 files)

- - - - Source 2 set 1 shntool timings
length expanded size cdr WAVE problems fmt ratio filename
6:41.11 70762316 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5886 ph03-07-30d1t01.flac
4:13.11 44655116 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5168 ph03-07-30d1t02.flac
30:36.14 323903372 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5004 ph03-07-30d1t03.flac
5:29.51 58155596 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5278 ph03-07-30d1t04.flac
5:47.40 61304924 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5633 ph03-07-30d1t05.flac
10:22.10 109744364 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.6038 ph03-07-30d1t06-fixed.flac
7:52.05 83272604 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5082 ph03-07-30d1t07.flac
6:56.06 73396556 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5152 ph03-07-30d2t01.flac
10:23.52 110019548 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5269 ph03-07-30d2t02.flac
88:21.50 935214396 B 0.5308 (9 files)

- - - - Source 4 set 1 shntool timings

length expanded size cdr WAVE problems fmt ratio filename
6:42.01 70915196 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.6209 PH2003-07-30D1T01-FIXED.SHN
4:15.13 45012620 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5417 PH2003-07-30D1T02-FIXED.SHN
30:33.42 323440028 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5271 PH2003-07-30D1T03-FIXED.SHN
5:28.54 57986252 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5511 PH2003-07-30D1T04-FIXED.SHN
5:49.34 61643612 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5958 PH2003-07-30D1T05-FIXED.SHN
10:23.43 109998380 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.6381 PH2003-07-30D1T06-FIXED.SHN
8:00.67 84829628 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5732 PH2003-07-30D1T07-FIXED.SHN
6:43.64 71239772 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5870 PH2003-07-30D2T01-FIXED.SHN
10:24.29 110141852 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.6018 PH2003-07-30D2T02-FIXED.SHN
88:21.47 935207340 B 0.5715 (9 files)

Summary:

There are 3 different fixed versions of the original version Source 1 #19640.

Source 2 - referenced by Rob Berg differs from the original only in the 2 tracks mentioned in fix descriptions - CDT & Taste.
It is not in the database. It appears to be more of a “shntool” fix than attempts to improve the volume fluctuations noted in the other info files. Its checksums are added to the original shnid #19640.

Source 3 - the fixed version in the database (#19821) differs from original in all set 1 tracks. I do not have access to this file set at time this was written. If Allen’s description is correct it is a patched/mixed version.

Source 4 - not in database, has all set 1 tracks changed from original in at least their timing. It appears to be a fix that is not patched /mixed but adjusts the original volume using a software option in Wavelab. However, all track lengths have changed so perhaps the tracks were combined for set 1, volume adjustments made to the whole set 1 waveform, then it was retracted.

Since Source 4 circulates as #19640, only differs in set 1 tracks as does #19640 and notes its a fix from “shakedown” I have added it as an alternate fixed version using shnid #19821.