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Grateful Dead 07/17/66
Fillmore Auditorium, San Francisco, CA
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Source # 4458 Other Sources
Entered by Matt Vernon
Checksums shn-md5 , st5
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Source Summary SBD > RTR @ 15 I.p.s. > PCM > D > SSSB; via Jay Serafin to gdlive 
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Fillmore Auditorium   San Francisco, CA
SSSB Audio Rating: AR1a

LINEAGE: SBD > RTR @ 15 I.p.s. > PCM > D > SSSB

LINEAGE: SBD > RTR > PCM > SSSB; other artists: Jefferson Airplane; FIRST / LAST / ONLY: "In The Pines", "Cardboard Cowboy";  any/all editing, fades, NR, hiss elimination, phase shifting/"time smear" correction, jitter elimination, EQ, and quantization noise elimination (when down-converting audio to 16-bit / 44.1kHz for CD-R mastering), were all performed using 24-bit / 96 kHz digital realm processing at Serafin Station Studio B [this show was re-released onto my Kindness Dubbing list in 06/01]

Track 01: Big Boss Man (04:44.820)
Track 02: Standing On The Corner (03:26.270)
Track 03: Beat It On Down The Line [7] (03:32.418) >
Track 04: > In The Pines (04:54.155)
Track 05: Cardboard Cowboy (03:27.489)
Track 06: Nobody's Fault But Mine (04:06.135)
Track 07: The Next Time You See Me (03:40.836)

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John "Jay" Serafin, owner/audio engineer @ Serafin Station Studio B
"Making Kindness Dubs For Everyone!"
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It's REALLY AMAZING that I find a LOT of 1966-68 shows which sound better than a lot of the 1970's reel to reel-originated shows, and even a lot of the early PCM shows.  NOTE: When PCM was first made available on the commercial market, it was only limited to 8 bit quality sound, and would only work with certain Sony BetaMax videocassette decks.  As time and technology grew, the PCM units became easier to use, they would work will almost ANY VCR (be it VHS or the now-dying BetaMax formats)... and finally they were able to get 16-bit sound to work CORRECTLY around the mid-1980's.

But, a little known factoid about the sound quality: the Dead weren't always the ones who were setting up the RTR decks.  The record companies were bringing in the Otari 2" 4 and 8 track decks which ran at a minimum of 15 i.p.s., and were able to be better calibrated to more brands and formulations of open reel tape.  This is why a lot of these shows sound so pristine... but yet there were a lot of reel changes (when there weren't two RTR decks there... one to run, and the other on "standby" so that the recording could be started as the first deck began to run out of tape!  So, this is why some shows literally have no gaps where the reels were changed!

It is my understanding that for this show, a single Otari 4 track 1" wide tape running at 7.5 i.p.s. was used.  Some of the songs from this Fillmore run were going to be used as promos, and possibly as a live album early on.  The record companies were REALLY hot on the Dead, and they wanted the Boyz to also try new songs to see how they would be received by the audience, as well as how they would sound live.  Hence, "one-offs" like In The Pines, Cardboard Cowboy, were played, and then evaluated by the record companies.

The PCM archive tape is deteriorating, as can be heard in the left (vocals) channel (only). On very loud vocal peaks, you can just hear a very slight distortion. It's not really as bad as it look "in print", but it can be heard. Again, it's only during the loudest vocals, and not on any of the instruments (right channel).  This is a problem inherent to ALL tape-based media, in that it will deteriorate over time. Thank goodness that the Vault is very regulated as far as it's climate, air quality and purity, and that a lot of shows are being re-archived onto non-tape-based media.

In The Pines and Cardboard Cowboy are FIRST / LAST / ONLY TIMES PLAYED songs. In The Pines is good, a song of sorrow. But Cardboard Cowboy, I can live without.  It just doesn't "make it" with me. Other people like it, maybe because it's very rare to hear a good quality copy of it, or to even hear it at all, or just because it's a Dead song... who knows?!?!?

The entire show had an "energy" to it, but not a very high level. There weren't any real between-song lulls like we've come to expect, and sometimes it can be heard when the guitars are slightly out of tune (and adjusted during the songs).  Bobby is pretty prominent in the mix, Pig's organ is really present (no dirty jokes, please!), but Jerry's guitar, depending on the song and how attentive the engineers were at any point in time, was either present, low volume (being picked up by the other instrument microphones nearby, or "invisible" for very short periods of time.  It never ceases to amaze me that audio engineers, especially with the Dead and the Fillmore's own crew, who were excellent most of the time, could be so ignorant of the fact that things weren't right!  But, that just makes the show all that much more interesting, I would imagine!

This is the ENTIRE show... all songs are included, so you get the "feel" of how things were played back then. Short sets, a lot of bands for the evening, nothing like what we've been accustomed to for the past 20 years.  I personally did see a few of these "huge number of artists" shows back in my early days, and it had a circus-like atmosphere sometimes.  Depending on who was playing, everyone shared everyone else's amps, drum sets, etc.  Even the Dead did, though they would bring out quite a bit of their own equipment to supplement what was on stage. And there was only about 10-15 minutes between acts, so either you rushed to the washroom, or you "held it in" for 3-plus hours.  The Fillmore did have a curfew, which USUALLY was enforced, but sometimes they would run over.  Bill Graham always tried to orchestrate the start time of the shows so that every group got a pretty good amount of time, but there were a number of shows where some groups only got to play 3 or 4 songs, as the band(s) before them ran long, or the "headline" act(s) were going to play long.

As with the 7/16/66 show which I uploaded here, this show will fit onto a single 74-minute CD (in fact, you can put BOTH the 7/16/66 and 7/17/66 shows onto a single 74-minute CD with 2 minutes to spare!). NONE of the shows I upload to GDLive will ever require "overburning", as that goes against a number of industry standards (one being that the maximum allowable recording time be 76:14). And some people's equipment cannot play back correctly the 80 minute discs which are prevalent lately. Not to mention that unless your CD-R/RW recorder specifically is made to record 80 minute discs, there's going to be problems with the recording (it's technical, but the abbreviated version is that the stepping motor, which positions the recording laser, can only be positioned in certain designated spots, and cannot go "between" point A and point B on the disc... if it tries to, it can partially overwrite what has been already recorded onto the media).

Enjoy the show!

PERSONAL RATINGS: (on a 1 to 10 scale with 10 being excellent)
Audio Mix: 9.2 (Jerry's disappearing act is what lowered this rating)
Audio Quality: 9.7
Energy Level: 8.5
Show "Completeness": 10.0 (entire set)
Song Selection: For the time period, nothing out of the ordinary at all.
Surprises: In The Pines and Cardboard Cowboy
Show Checksums
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3b6d80123e0cb50b23cbc9e5acfd4018 [shntool] gd66-07-17d1t01.shn
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05e33db839629c499c8aadf9bac0532d [shntool] gd66-07-17d1t07.shn

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Shntool fix of original (0) SBD -> Reel Master (10 Inch... (0)
Date User Comment
12/07/2001 j howe shntool reported these shn's were not cut on sector boundries and had non-canonical headers. is it ok to re-seed the repaired version of this set ?
10/01/2002 GDLIVE
10/01/2002 RMS This show is not cut on sector boundaries. If you decode the shn's to wave, use shntool to fix the wave files, and re-encode to SHNv3 (with seek tables appended), the following MD5 results:

1444d39db2df1391451564ffe6670ebd *gd66-07-17d1t01-fixed.shn
77ab16a9c2070e33324ed4e0a4e6cf06 *gd66-07-17d1t02-fixed.shn
27ced3d936a6fb7abf37730574ed226a *gd66-07-17d1t03-fixed.shn
3c9d9d3f9841033ca616baaa2035b34d *gd66-07-17d1t04-fixed.shn
5a4f5fef0ec8f23b2bf430ffb37becb8 *gd66-07-17d1t05-fixed.shn
36061561d5f373af15ca924e780271a1 *gd66-07-17d1t06-fixed.shn
5afc8a3c24fb620ffb1c4b2265bb30d2 *gd66-07-17d1t07-fixed.shn
12/11/2002 Marmar DO NOT spread the *fixed* versions...a few of us over on the forums are taking on the task of fixing all of his shows and re-distrobuting them as FLACS so the fixed copies will be easier kept track of...Please feel free to check it out at the forums: