|Checksums||shn-md5 , st5|
|Disc Counts||1 / 2|
|Source Summary||SBD 16-Track Master Reel > Rough Mix DAT > DATx3 > Digital Sound Card > WAV > SHN > WAV > Cool Edit > CDWAV > SHN; via Aoxoa, R. Keshavan, Seth Kaplan; see info file for notes on patches and edits; d2 tracked for 80 min; note material from this date also appeared on Live Dead- go buy it|
|Other Sources (comments)
SBD reels > PCM > DAT >... (1) 16 track RTR (multiple... (1) flac16; Ampex... (0)
|05/08/2003||Rob Berg||This show sounds terrific: crystal clear sound, full range, and lots of presence. It's a very "on-stage" soundboard, as opposed to some sbd recordings in which the audience is more noticeable. The listener definitely appreciates the sound improvement after the alternate-sbd patch that completes the first 20 seconds or so of the recording.|
There are glitches (clicks or moments of discontinuity) at the following track changes:
d1t01 -> d1t02
d1t03 -> d1t04
d1t05 -> d1t06
d1t06 -> d1t07
d1t08 -> d1t09
d2t03 -> d2t04
d2t06 -> d2t07
shntool does not report them so they must be from a previous DAE gen, which is not listed in this seed's source info :(
|08/17/2005||Joe Jupille||So, your shns match the db, and these glitches are audible on the shns themselves? I have listened to this source many times and don't recall hearing it. Oh, and the lineage is almost certainly correct, i.e., no DAE, which leads me to suspect either a) that you don't have db-matching shns, 2) that this is an artifact of the software you use to playback your shns, or 3) that I have missed these glitches all of these times.|
|08/20/2005||Slim Pickins||What's dumbfounding is that Rango didn't notice these glitches. :)|
Nice one sli! But, how true!!!
|08/26/2005||Quality Control||Joe, my shns match the md5sums here. The glitches are definitely in the shns and not from playback. When the files are decompressed to wavs and opened in Cool Edit Pro you can see the glitches when using a spectral view.|
|08/26/2005||Joe Jupille||Thanks for confirming, QC. That is very strange ...|
|08/27/2005||sport||Computers & music hhmmnn hmmnn|
|09/05/2005||Seth Kaplan||There are no additional or unlisted DAE gens in this lineage. The initial unedited .shns were decompressed to audio, edited in a couple of spots and then re-tracked in CDWAV, a program designed to cut tracks on correct sector boundaries without resulting in digital artifacts. The resulting final audio tracks were then re-.shn'd and tested for correct sector boundaries prior to circulation. An audio copy off the final .shns was also tested in EAC and reflected zero gaps across the board.|
|09/06/2005||Charles Wier||QC, you raised my curiosity, since I've never noticed a problem with this seed. I have looked at d1t01-07 in Cool Edit Pro and find absolutely NO glitches or discontinuities in any of the transitions you have cited. I have viewed the files in both spectral & waveform views. In fact, I joined these 7 tracks into a single WAV to make sure I wasn't missing a discontinuity between the tracks. It may be possible that there has been some crowd noise cut out, but it's not too clear; even if it was, the transitions were patched quite seamlessly. I don't know what you define as a glitch or discontinuity, but there are definitely no dropouts, level shifts, pops, or digital artifacts, which is what I typically might describe as a glitch. Care to offer any specifics?|
Quality Control is right. There are little digi-pops at or just before the track markers exactly where he said. I also see them looking in CEP's spectral view. You have to zoom in pretty close to see them, which is perhaps why Charles didn't see them. You can hear them too, though many people probably wouldn't even notice them.
However, I don't think they're from a missing DAE. I suspect they're from where the wav files were "edited in a couple of spots" by Seth. If you look at the d1t01>d1t02 transition, the pop occurs just before the track marker at the very end of d1t01. You'll also notice that it looks like d1t01 (the spoken intro) was amplified. The spot where the click occurs is the spot where that amplification ends.
Making volume changes or other changes in wav editors can unknowingly introduce little pops at the spots where the change is introduced, because it creates an abrupt change in the wav form at that location, which can produce a little micro-second digi-click/pop, and which you wouldn't even see unless you were looking in spectral view and were zoomed in really close.
I'm just speculating about the cause, but regardless, Quality Control is correct about the glitches/pops, and their locations. Though most appear to be just before the track markers, not right on them.
Well, I just fixed my copy, and on second thought, the problem does seem like it's from a missing CDR gen somewhere before the source shn's that Seth used. It doesn't seem like there's volume or other wav edits at all the spots, so I think I was wrong about that being the cause. It looks like a tracking issue before it got to Seth.
Since Seth retracked after his edits, this explains why the pops aren't on the current track markers, but are mostly a little before or after them, which is probably where the original track markers were in the source shn's.
It also probably explains why they aren't at every track. There is no click at the d1t02>d1t03 transition. t03 is just "tuning" which makes me guess that there just wasn't a separate track for that in the source shn's. It was just part of d1t02.
The same thing would explain why there's no pop at d1t04>d1t05. "Beyond the Pale" was probably just part of t04 in the source shn's. (There is a weird little anomoly about a second into t05, but it doesn't look or sound like the other digi-pops. It seems like something else, probably in the analog source.)
Also, there is one at d1t07>d1t08 which quality control missed. It's a little before the track marker, and it's harder to see/hear than the others, but it's there.
So there's a pop all d1 tracks except t2->t3 and t9->t10. So it looks "tuning" and "stage banter" just weren't separate tracks in the source shn's, but were new tracks added by Seth.
As for disc 2, this theory suggests that d2t01-02-03 was originally just one track, and Seth split them. The first split in the original source was at the current t03-04, and there we find a pop just after the current marker.
Quality Control missed another one at t04-05, but it's again very hard to see/hear, and occurs just before the current track marker.
He also missed one for t05-06, occuring about a half-second before the current track marker.
There's no pop at t07-t08, so again, suggesting this was one track in the source shn's, and Seth split them.
|01/20/2006||Charles Wier||Josh, can you please provide exact timings for at least a few of the pops? I have looked very closely at the beginnings and ends of d1t01, & d1t03-6, and still can't find any indication of a problem.|
Charles, are you looking in _Spectral View_??? You won't see them in Waveform View but they are obvious in Spectral View. You just have to be zoomed in close to see them.
I can't give exact timings because I already fixed my version and deleted the original files. They're all near the track markers, usually a little before. I recall the d1t01 click being less than a second before the track marker. Zoom in to just before the track marker using spectral view and you'll see it.
Once having located it you can just highlight the click (the vertical red line) itself and use CEP's "Fill Single Click Now" under Effects>NoiseReduction>Click/PopEliminator. This will fill in just the little click seamlessly.