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Phish 12/01/84
Nectar's, Burlington, VT
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Source # 81378 Other Sources
Entered by Matt Vernon
Checksums Dec2006_md5 , Dec2007_md5 , Dec2007-st5
Disc Counts 1 / 2
Media Size
Date Circulated
Date Added
12/31/06
01/02/2007
Source Summary SBD > Cass/1 > DAT > CDR > EAC > WAV > Cool Edit (Remastering) > SHN; SHN Conversion by Mike Wren; Pitch correction by Hunter Seamons (NOTE: two versions circulate from Hunter Seamons, one from 12/31/06, and one from 12/1/07. Both versions are included in this entry) 
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info file for version circulated on 12/31/06 (48 kHz seed)
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Phish - 12/1/84 (w/ full 10/17/85 filler on disc two)
Nectar's, Burlington, VT

The First Circulated Phish Show

Source: SBD > Cass1 > DAT > CD-R > EAC > WAV >
Cool Edit for Re-mastering (see notes at bottom) > SHN > WAV > Final Cut Pro for pitch correction > SHN

Re-mastering by Mike Wren
Pitch correction, Shortened, md5sum & uploaded by Hunter Seamons

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12/1/84

Disc 1:

1) Scarlet Begonias >
2) Fire >
3) Fire on the Mountain
4) Makisupa Policeman
5) Slave to the Traffic Light
6) Spanish Flea
7) Don't Want You No More >
8) Cities >
9) Drums
10) Skippy the Wondermouse


Disc 2:

1) Fluffhead

Encore:
2) Eyes of the World

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10/17/85
Finbar's - Burlington, VT

3) Star Trek Jam >
4) Alumni Blues >
5) Mike's Song
6) Dave's Energy Guide
7) Revolution >
8) Anarchy
9) Camel Walk
10) Run Like an Antelope
11) McGrupp and the Watchful Hosemasters


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PREVIOUS NOTES by PREVIOUS SEEDER, Mike Wren:

* Thanks to Lee Farber for the original seed!

* There was some re-mastering done to clean up the original
tape hiss from this classic show. The processes I took are
as follows:

1) Amplified both discs 175% across the board.
2) Sampled a section of silence to obtain a decent noise floor
sample (25,000 sample points used).
3) Applied this sample against both discs at 64 percent.
4) Applied a graphic equalizer to boost the high and low spectrums
(specifically between 600 - 800 Hz and 8k & 10 kHz).
***Note: I cut everything above 11 kHz 18dB because nothing
existed above that freq. range on the original recording.

NEW NOTES by Hunter Seamons:

I noticed the pitch was too high in both shows listed in this source. I decreased the pitch in 12.01.84 by 7%, and I decreased the pitch in 10.17.85 by 9%. After doing this and critically comparing the older source, this sounds much more normal, if not perfect, and I am pleased with the results. I hope you are too. Happy New Year!





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info file for version circulated on 12/01/07 (more remastering and 44.1 kHz seed)
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Phish - 12/1/84 (w/ full 10/17/85 filler on disc two)
Nectar's, Burlington, VT

The First Circulated Phish Show

Source: SBD > Cass1 > DAT > CD-R > EAC > WAV >
Cool Edit for Re-mastering (see notes at bottom) > SHN>WAV>Final Cut Pro for pitch correction>SHN

Re-mastering, Shortened, md5sums & uploaded by Mike Wren - [email protected]

Released to commemorate the one year anniversary of etree.org


Pitch correction by Hunter Seamons using Final Cut Pro (12/31/06; remastered 12/1/07)


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12/1/84

Disc 1:

1) Scarlet Begonias >
2) Fire >
3) Fire on the Mountain
4) Makisupa Policeman
5) Slave to the Traffic Light
6) Spanish Flea
7) Don't Want You No More >
8) Cities >
9) Drums
10) Skippy the Wondermouse


Disc 2:

1) Fluffhead

Encore:
2) Eyes of the World

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Filler:

10/17/85

3) Star Trek Jam >
4) Alumni Blues >
5) Mike's Song
6) Dave's Energy Guide
7) Revolution >
8) Anarchy
9) Camel Walk
10) Run Like an Antelope
11) McGrupp and the Watchful Hosemasters


-----

PREVIOUS NOTES by Mike Wren:

* Thanks to Lee Farber for the original seed!

* There was some re-mastering done to clean up the original
tape hiss from this classic show. The processes I took are
as follows:

1) Amplified both discs 175% across the board.
2) Sampled a section of silence to obtain a decent noise floor
sample (25,000 sample points used).
3) Applied this sample against both discs at 64 percent.
4) Applied a graphic equalizer to boost the high and low spectrums
(specifically between 600 - 800 Hz and 8k & 10 kHz).
***Note: I cut everything above 11 kHz 18dB because nothing
existed above that freq. range on the original recording.


NEW NOTES by Hunter Seamons (12/31/06):

I noticed the pitch was too high in both shows listed in this seed. I decreased the pitch in 12.01.84 by 7%, and I decreased the pitch in 10.17.85 by 9%.


REMASTERED (12/01/07):

As this was my first seed, I naturally made some mistakes the first time around. I made all changes by going back to the original file set by Mike Wren and redoing the process, so this is as fresh as it gets. The new changes from my previous seed are as follows:

1) SBE fix

2) Encoded at 44.1 kHz (The last source I did was accidently encoded at a "false" 48 kHz. Whether this makes any difference sonically has not been determined.)

3) Different speed reductions at 6% and 8%, respectively. (I believe I was a hair off the first time around, so I wanted to use this opportunity to make the changes.)

4) NO CUTS! (I made some unorthodox, millisecond cuts before between songs, due to my inexperience of pitch correcting at the time. These went largely unnoticed, as far as I can tell.)

These changes should make this source better for the long haul.

Enjoy this historic show on its 23rd anniversary!


Show Checksums
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Dec2007-st5
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Date User Comment
04/29/2007 Ford Prefect I'm surprised I didn't see a comment for this - but this recording is 16/48 (not CD quality). The info file should really have a note for this before circulating.
07/03/2007 hseamons Yes, this did turn out to be 16/48. This was an oversight on my part when I did pitch correction. However, I do not think the sound was affected in any way, meaning I don't think there was a loss in quality when it went to 48 kHz (supposedly) because I did not render the audio clips as such. I only put the songs into a 48kHz sequence, but when I exported them I did not render the sequence but the individual clip files with the speed edits within that sequence. I the songs may have just been labled 48 khz, but did not actually get converted to it in the end. If you burn this to CD at 44.1 kHz, moreover, you will not be able to tell any difference, of which I believe there is none.
07/03/2007 hseamons I did not explain a certain part right above. I exported the songs with speed change without rendering them as 48kHz, even though they are labled as such from being in a 48 kHz sequence (unrendered). Let's just ask ourselves: "Can it ever be the case where the info is wrong that get's attached to the file?" - I believe so. It's complicated. I never could tell any difference from the 44.1 kHz source I had and the new version - BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A DIFFERENCE! Enjoy the show.
07/03/2007 hseamons Okay, on further reflection I think I DID export them as 48 kHz. But I think they sound just as crispy, if not more crispy for being at 48 KHz rather than 44.1 kHz. I just hope there's some good karma with these files.
07/10/2007 TWATTS "I just compared the 64k MP3 with the 48k WAV on my PC-Based Altec playback system. Both sound equally as good!"

Basing your technical arguments on how the final product "sounds" isn't a good idea. You need to show proper lineage.

It sounds like you took the original 44.1k files, saved as 48k files to do your Pitch work, then SHNed again.

"rendering" from the original 44.1k to 48k will do nothing except add a bunch of silence. So any resulting 44.1k files from the fixed 48k files will be "as good" as the originals.

That being said, of course your 44k and 48k versions sound the same, both have the same exact digital information. "rendering" from 44>48k doesn't all of a sudden add aural information.

I have a question of how you did your pitch correction - did you adjust to a known tuning?

Thanks,

Terry







07/16/2007 twatts This statement "***Note: I cut everything above 11 kHz 18dB because nothing existed above that freq. range on the original recording." indicates this source is LOSSY. Removing information from the file set (irregardless of data contained within) violates the lossless audio principle.

Terry
07/26/2007 twatts It is also reported that this set (and the original) are AUD tapes.

Terry
08/11/2007 Tenniru I can not tell if this is an audience recording or a SBD recordd a bit too hot. For something this old, it's great-sounding; aside from some bass saturation and low vocals, it's an amazing listen.
02/25/2017 mvernon The 10/17/85 filler bit is assigned to this shnid

http://db.etree.org/shn/81448