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Grateful Dead 10/17/74
Winterland Arena, San Francisco, CA
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Disc Counts 2 / 3
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05/16/2009
05/16/2009
Source Summary flac16; Black Maxell UDII reel tape @ 3 3/4 ips.>Akai GX 636>Apogee Mini Me(24/96)>Apogee mini DAC(monitoring/mastering)>Lynx One soundcard>Wavelab 5.0>DVD, DVD-Audio 2496>DVD-A Explorer>Wavelab 6.1>GEMS Edit Station Weiss Saracon for SRC POWr3 Dither 16bit/44.1 kHz, TradersLilHelper for FLAC 8 SBE Free Tag&Rename for MetaData 
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The Grateful Dead
October 17 1974
Winterland
San Francisco Califorinia

Black Maxell UDII reel tape @ 3 3/4 ips.>Akai GX 636>Apogee Mini Me(24/96)>Apogee mini DAC(monitoring/mastering)>Lynx One soundcard>Wavelab 5.0>DVD by Matt Smith

DVD-Audio 2496>DVD-A Explorer>Wavelab 6.1>GEMS Edit Station
Weiss Saracon for SRC POWr3 Dither 16bit/44.1 kHz by Jamie Waddell

TradersLilHelper for FLAC8  SBE Free  Tag&Rename for MetaData  

Edit notes: These reels have been mastered for better tonal balance.  Phil's bass was the center point of this multi track mix down.  It was a tad too much to begin.  A different feel than the standard vault reel master reel. The highs originally were VERY buried and or decayed and i returned them to a better position in the mix, albeit still a tad distant.  This edit was in the works for a couple of months.  Lots of our ears LListened as we came to the best balance for the edit. I'm sure you will enjoy.- j.w.

Matt said...  "I think people will love the 10-17-74. I would put the lineage as 16track>2track for Jerry>?>R([email protected] 3/4 ips.)>DVD/CD.  These 10/74 reel copies made by Will back in 1979 were most likely 'work tapes' used by Jerry for production work for the "GD Movie".  all the following shows are complete including all the 'seastones' sets so more cool things on the way.  Yes, i know there have been multiple versions of these shows but IMHO, these are unique versions that were Jerry's own copies that were dubbed from by Will.  Basically these versions were never copied by anyone in will's circle since everyone already had them via rob bertrando and no one at the time bothered to investigate them.  Remember, this was 1979 and the GD were still a great behemoth of a touring machine so everyone was more concerned with taping new shows.  There is no cassette gen with these as they were straight reel copies that i know for sure so these 24 bit versions esp. are really nice.  Whether Jerry had a master of a 2 track mixdown or a copy will never be known for sure but these really do sound fantastic regardless.  Much more of a "being there" feeling IMHO..  ENJOY!! ....Stuff from the debbie stash is hard to explain at times and nailing down exact lineages is even harder.  either way they all sound fantastic!!!  It was the kind of deal where Will suddenly found out about all these reels/cassettes that Jerry "left" there so he copied as much as he could w/o any concern of the exact source.  There were TONS of stuff everywhere strewn all over the house.."

a **GEMS** Production  www.shnflac.net   May 2009

-Complete Seastones
-listen for a fan scream for mexicali before they play a note of it
-Last two minutes of rider patched with alternate aud
-Huge Thanks to Matt Smith for the Transfer work and Deadication.
-big Thanks To Todd Evans for Project GEMS...

    " Helpin' to dust off those reels just one more time!! "

   ~~Set 1~~
01.BG Introduction  
02.Promised Land    
03.Mississippi Half Step Uptown Toodleoo
04.Black Throated Wind
05.Friend of the Devil
06.Jack Straw
07.Loser
08.El Paso
09.China Cat Sunflower >
10.I Know You Rider
11.Me and My Uncle
12.It Must Have Been the Roses
01.Weather Report Prelude >
02.Part 1 >
03.Let it Grow
04.Phil Lesh and Ned Lagin - Seastones
   ~~Set 2~~
05.Scarlet Begonias  
06.Big River  
07.Ramble On Rose
08.Mexicali Blues
01.He's Gone >
02.The Other One >
03.Spanish Jam >
04.Mind Left Body Jam  >
05.The Other One >
06.Stella Blue
Sugar Magnolia(missing)
~~Encore
Casey Jones (missing)
US Blues (missing)

We actually have the last three tracks, the same aud used for the rider patch, which was a work of art to get it even that close, LOL.  We may release the aud if we can get it to sound listenable.  Hopefully those tracks will surface elsewhere.

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MSR>DAT>CDR; Seeded to... (3) MultiTrack Master Reel >... (0) flac24; Black Maxell... (0) flac24; Partial Set... (0) flac16/48kHz;... (0)
Date User Comment
09/03/2010 rand0m Can anyone involved explain why the track timings differ between the 16- and 24-bit file sets?
01/11/2018 doses we tracked them independently at the time, maybe even 2 different folks, i forget.