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Garcia 12/11/77
Rec Hall, Penn State U, State College, PA
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Source # 13418 Other Sources
Entered by Joe Jupille
Checksums d1 , d2 , d3
Disc Counts 2 / 3
Media Size
Date Circulated
Date Added
8/2002
11/28/2002
Source Summary Jerry Garcia Band: MSR > PCM > unknown analog gens > DAT > CD > SSSB processing. 
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BAND:             JERRY GARCIA BAND
SHOW DATE:        12-11-1977
VENUE:            RECREATION HALL,  PENN STATE UNIVERSITY
LOCATION:         UNIVERSITY PARK,  PA
SET(S):           I / II
LINEAGE: RTR @ 7.5 I.P.S. > VAULT PCM > UNK. # OF ANALOG GENS > D > SEED CD-R > SSSB
AUDIO RATING:     AR3
MEDIA REQUIRED:   DAT: 180 min.
                  CD-R / MINI DISC: 3

RELEASED ON: 08/01/02

Many Thanks To Adam Dwyer (a.k.a. "StarDoggy") For Providing Me With The Show To Work On!


OFFICIAL SHOW NOTES:  LINEAGE: RTR @ 7.5 I.P.S. > VAULT PCM > UNK. # OF A  > D > SEED CD-R > SSSB; Jerry Garcia Band members: "Buzz" Buchanan (percussion), Jerry Garcia (guitar / lead vocals), Donna Jean Godchaux (backup vocals), Keith Godchaux (keyboards), John Kahn (bass), Maria Muldaur (backup vocals); any/all editing, fades, NR, hiss elimination, phase shifting, time smear correction, digital jitter elimination, EQ, and quantization noise elimination (when up/down-converting audio for CD or DVD mastering), were all performed using 24-bit / 96 kHz digital realm processing at Serafin Station Studio B [using the "code name Harpoon" editing software V1.001.04 Build 499] [this show was released 08/02]



JAY'S PERSONAL COMMENTS:

NOTE: THE ORIGINAL TEXT FILE WHICH ACCOMPANIED THE SHOW IS AT THE VERY END OF THIS TEXT FILE!

Sometimes,  it's very difficult to work on other people's copies of shows.  Some info may be in error,  the quality isn't
always known until the show is physically here,  and so forth.  This show is a good example of almost all of the above
items,  plus a little more.

When I transferred the audio from my Marantz Studio CD transport deck into the digital input of the editing computers,  one
of the first things I noticed,  just from casual listening,  was that this show was compiled from more than a single
source.

I say that with full assurance,  due to the fact that the audio is completely different in it's quality,  amount of hiss,
etc. in FOUR distinct sections.  Disc 1 (this updated version) is made up of 2 sources,  Disc 2 (this updated version) is
from a single source,  and Disc 3 (this updated version),  which is the 2nd part of Set II,  has 2 difference sources.  On
the original "raw" audio,  it's very noticeable.  I have tried to make all the sections less noticeable in their
differences,  but one will still be able to tell.

The biggest problem with this show was not the different sources,  but the amount of hiss.  On all but one of the original
sources,  there are at least THREE analog generations,  and for one song,  there is FOUR analog generations; this does NOT
include the original RTR.  By putting the "quiet sections" through a special software spectrum analyzer,  I was able to
isolate distinct hiss "patterns".  Every analog dub will have it's own unique quality of hiss/inherent noise.  Plus the
show is almost totally "monophonic",  except for the hiss.  This tells me that one or more of the generations was made
through analog decks which were out of alignment,  OR someone tried to eliminate some of the hiss by editing the show with
the left/right channels just slightly panned.  I cannot tell for certain which of these 2 probabilities is the "correct"
one without knowing every person who "handled" this show from it's inception.

But,  enough of the really "not too good" news.  The bottom line with this show is that,  while it still has a fair amount
of analog hiss,  it has been GREATLY reduced (on some songs,  by as much as -38 dB,  which is a huge amount! There comes a
time when an audio engineer has to make a choice: whether to leave some hiss in the audio and allow the higher frequencies
to come through (cymbals,  the harmonics of the middle and upper frequencies of instruments,  etc.),  or remove more hiss,
and make the show sound dull,  muffled,  or even introduce unwanted audio artifacts such as phasing and flanging.  I went
for the "former",  removing as much hiss as possible without corrupting the audio,  and still preserving as much of the
high frequencies as possible.  So,  the end result now is you all have a better show overall,  with some hiss left over.

This is NOT a show which is in circulation widely,  otherwise I would have tried to get a better copy to work with,  and
make that for StarDoggy to use as his "seed" copy.  I know of 2 other people who have this show,  and they both say their
copies are almost unbearable to listen to!


PERSONAL RATINGS: (on a 1 to 10 scale with 10 being excellent)
Audio Mix: 7
Audio Quality: 7.5
Energy Level: 8
"Completeness": 9 (just the missing between-song lulls,  etc.)
Surprises: The "Close Encounters" tease notes played during "Lonesome".  Really fits in well.


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HERE IS THE ORIGINAL TEXT FILE WHICH WAS ON THE CD-R DISCS SENT TO ME FROM ADAM DWYER (a.k.a. "STARDOGGY"):

Jerry Garcia Band 12-11-77  Recreation [email protected] Penn State Universite
University Park, PA
sdb>>master reel>>cassette>>pcm>>dat>>cdr

Set 1
CD1
1.  How Sweet It Is
2.  Catfish John
3.  Simple Twist Of Fate
4.  Sitting In Limbo
5.  Mystery Train

Set 2
CD2
1.  Love In The Afternoon
2.  Second That Emotion
3.  Gomorrah
4.  Harder They Come

CD3
1.  Russian Lullaby
2.  Tore Up Over You
3.  Mission In The Rain
4.  (E) Lonesome and a Long Way From Home

any song info send to  [email protected]
Show Checksums
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Jerry Garcia... (1) Jerry Garcia Band: MSR > C... (1) JGB: MSR > C > PCM > DAT >... (1) JGB: SBD > Master Reel >... (0)
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11/29/2002 yup.... Ok...the info file I got with this show states that the show was edited at 32bit/192kHz....here it says 24/96...What gives???

Also, no matter how you cut it this show in this form sounds like crap....the noise reduction that was done I fear did more harm than good....the cymbals/hi-hats sound so dull it makes me sick.
11/29/2002 Joe Jupille All I can tell you is that I used the info file that I got from gdlive, so I don't know where the discrepancy comes from. I haven't heard the SQ of this seed, but I do know that it is somewhat preposterous to characterize this as a low-circulation seed, it being the second most-widely owned 1977 JGB show among etreers.
05/07/2003 Adam Dwyer Unfortunately, I sent this show to Jay for some reworking. I listened to what he did, and haven't listened to it since. I was hoping he'd be able to eliminate some hiss, which obviously didn't happen. I no longer talk to this jackass and wish I never had. I apologize to the community as a whole. I was a naive newbie.
12/07/2006 charliemiller Jay has wrong info posted, as usual...

The correct source is SBD>Cass Master>Dat