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Grateful Dead 12/17/70
Winterland, San Francisco, CA
Set I
Hard To Handle
Candyman
Me And My Uncle
Cold Rain And Snow
Dancing In The Street
Uncle John's Band
Set II
 
Set III
 
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7/17/2018 Update - there is very good evidence and reason to believe that there was NO 12/17/70 show. Not at the Winterland, and not at The Matrix. According to Charlie Miller, this music comes from 10/4/70 & 10/5/70. A series of mixups and confusing events have led to the interpretation of a show on this date. For example, the date 12/17 and 12/23 come from Vault master tapes, but were the mixdown dates, not the event dates. See http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2010/10/mysterious-case-of-121770.html for all the answers.

The venue is conjectural. Deadlists identifies it as the Matrix, based on Eaton's transcript of the vault reel. However, when Dick copied the show to cassette, he attached the following label: "Here is something I have, that was labeled 12/17/70 - Winterland."

A long-standing confusion between this show and the Owsley benefit held at Winterland on 12/23/70, continues to infect GD tapelists. The first four songs, "Hard to Handle" through "Cold Rain and Snow," were put into general circulation by the Bay Area Tapers Group in the mid-1990s, and continue to be mislabeled as 12/23/70.
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CJ (5/4.7) FLAC / 1 View 87356
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Brian Donohue (5/5) / 0 View 87356 SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
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Steve Sawyer (5/4.6) FLAC / 1 View 87356 SBD
Blair Waldron (5/0) / 0 View 87356
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Brent Easton (5/4.9) CDR / 1 A A View 87356 SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
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Brad Foster (4/4.9) FLAC / 1 View   SBD > Master Reel > Master Cass? > Cass > CoolEdit > FLAC
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Boisedeadhead (3/0) CDR / 1 View 87356 SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
Notes: 1. Hard to Handle 2. Candyman 3. Me and My Uncle 4. Cold Rain and Snow 5. Dancing in the Street 6. Uncle John's Band Source: SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac The venue is conjectural. Deadlists identifies it as the Matrix, based on Eaton's transcript of the vault reel. However, when Dick copied the show to cassette, he attached the following label: "Here is something I have, that was labeled 12/17/70 - Winterland." A long-standing confusion between this show and the Owsley benefit held at Winterland on 12/23/70, continues to infect GD tapelists. The first four songs, "Hard to Handle" through "Cold Rain and Snow," were put into general circulation by the Bay Area Tapers Group in the mid-1990s, and continue to be mislabeled as 12/23/70.
Michael (3/0) FLAC / 1 View 87356
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Richard Warren (3/5) flac / 1 View 87356
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