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User (active/rating) | Media / # | Show | Sound | Details | DB Source | User Source |
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Rab Dalas (1/3) | cdr / 1 | View | ||||
jbgdtrfb (1/5) | SHN / 1 | View | ||||
jbgdtrfb (1/5) | CDR / 1 | View | ||||
Don (1/5) | Audio / 1 | View | ||||
Alicia (1/5) | CDR / 1 | View | ||||
Alicia (1/5) | CDR / 1 | View | ||||
Mike MacDonald (1/0) | CD / 2 | A | View | SBD | ||
Notes: | Grateful Dead November 19, 1966 Fillmore West, San Francisco Extracted and SHNed by [email protected] Set I: 01 High Healed Sneakers 02 Pain in My Heart 03 Cold Rain and Snow 04 BIODTL 05 Cream Puff War 06 The Same Thing 07 He Was a Friend of Mine Set II: 08 Smokestack Lightning 09 King Bee 10 Midnight Hour Notes: This is a liberated bootleg that sounds pretty damn good for how old the show is. According to Deadbase, this is the complete show except for Dancin from the end of the first set. If you want to hear some old Dead, I highly recommend this disc. | |||||
Warren Oates (1/5) | cdr / 1 | View | SBD | |||
Notes: | from: It Crawled Out Of The Vaults Of K.S.A.N. | |||||
yubah (1/5) | CDR / 1 | View | ||||
Chris (1/0) | / 1 | View | ||||
Notes: | Set 1: Hi-Heel Sneakers, Pain In My Heart, Cold Rain & Snow, Beat It On Down The Line, Cream Puff War, The Same Thing, He Was A Friend Of Mine, Dancin' In The Streets Set 2: Smokestack Lightning-> I'm A King Bee, Midnight Hour | |||||
GHOST (1/0) | SHN / 1 | View | 41 | SBD | ||
andrew hoke (1/0) | / 1 | View | sbd | |||
elkhartadam (1/0) | SHN / 1 | A | A | View | 41 | SBD; liberated bootleg source |
Notes: | Classic | |||||
Queball (1/5) | SHN / 1 | View | 41 | |||
Chris Cantergiani (1/4.8) | DAT / 0 | A | View | |||
Screech (1/5) | .wav / 1 | View | 41 | SBD, Liberated Bootleg Source | ||
Notes: | SBD, Liberated Bootleg Source | |||||
Jason (1/0) | SHN / 1 | View | ||||
Notes: | Set 1
Hi-Heel Sneakers, Pain In My Heart, Cold Rain & Snow, Beat It On Down The Line, Cream Puff War, The Same Thing, He Was A Friend Of Mine, Dancin' In The Streets
set2
Smokestack Lightning-> I'm A King Bee, Midnight Hour
Other artist(s): GD; James Cotton Blues Band; Lothar & The Hand People
from www.deadlists.com
BAND Grateful Dead
VENUE Fillmore Auditorium
CITY San Francisco
STATE CA
DATE 11/19/66
SET1 Cold Rain and Snow [3:05] ; Hi-Heel Sneakers [4:07] ; Pain In My
Heart [2:52] ; Beat It On Down The Line [2:24] ; Cream Puff War [7:27] ;
Same Thing [9:59] ; He Was A Friend Of Mine [4:32] ; Dancin' In The Street
[5:59#]
SET2 Smokestack Lightnin' [8:41] > King Bee [5:23] ; Midnight Hour [18:09]
SET3
ENCORE
COMMENTS To see Wes Wilson Concert Art:
http://www.pompano.net/~goodbear/concert_art/11_18-20_66.html
http://www.peconic.net/members/worwetz/aa7.htm
To listen to the show using "Real Audio":
http://sugarmegs.org/ram/dead66.ram
Thayer Jennings:
Bill Graham introduces the band before Cold Rain And Snow -
(cut)"...igpen, on organ and vocals; on the left, rhythm guitar and
vocals, Mister Bob Weir; on bass and vocals, Mister Philip Lesh; on drums,
in striped t-shirt, Mister Bill Summer; on the far left, on lead guitar
and vocals, the Charles Atlas of the psychedelic set; the Grateful Dead."
The reasoning for listing Cold Rain before Hi-Heel Sneakers -
* The tape is ordered this way -- there *is* a splice between Cold Rain
andHi-Heel Sneakers, but *not* between Pain I.M.H and BIODTL.
* Bill Graham's intro is before Cold Rain. Would the introduction have
come *after* a couple songs??? (I kind of doubt it).
DeadBase X [under 'Tape Timings']:
After Pain In My Heart -- Pigpen:
"Thank you."
Before BIODTL -- ?: "It's Over." -- Jerry:
"It seems like it's just begun. What can I say here after I say this? Good
evening. The number tonight... everybody check your coupons... The lucky
number tonight is ten." Phil: "What? Hey, wait a minute, How many?"
Jerry: How many? Eleven? Eleven. Pardon me." Phil: "The magic number is
eleven." BIODTL -- 11 beats.
Short tuning ditty before He Was A Friend. Tape cuts into and out of Teddy
Bear's Picnic before Smokestack. After Midnight Hour -- Pigpen: "Thank
You."
David Sorochty:
Filler on tape - unidentified You See A Broken Heart, is from 3/12/66.
The common tapes, including mine, have this order:
Hi-Heel Sneakers
Pain In My Heart
-----------------------splice------
Cold Rain And Snow
-----------------------splice------
Beat It On Down The Line
Cream Puff War
Same Thing
He Was A Friend Of Mine
(Dancin' In The Street is missing)
In fact I had always thought that was the right order. I never doubted it
and that is how its been listed in DeadBase too. Notice that there is a
splice right before and after Cold Rain And Snow and that intoduction is
missing. I'm willing to accept that my tape was out of order and it also
had the intro cut out. But something about that seemed strange because I
was absolutely positive that I had heard at least part of that "Charles
Atlas" introduction before. But how could that be possible? I've only ever
had one copy of 11/19/66 and its not on there.
Then I saw a post from Bart Wise where he said in regards to 2/12/67:
"I checked out my copy of 2/12/67 last night. Mine also has the Smokestack
in between the other two songs and runs:
Bill Graham Intro -no audible cut-, Cold Rain and Snow % -cuts in-,
Smokestack Lightning -cuts out-, % -cuts in- Hi Heeled Sneakers.
Bill Graham's intro is chopped up and reads: '...and on the far left...and
on the lead guitar and vocals...the Charles Atlas of the psychedelic
set...the Grateful Dead.' and without an audible cut, Cold Rain and Snow."
There it was again, the "Charles Atlas" introduction right before Cold
Rain And Snow with no splice. That was exactly where I recalled hearing it
from - my 2/12/67 tape! It didn't seem likely that the same intro would be
used twice right before they start playing the same song. I wondered if
2/12/67 might be a bogus mislabeled partial copy of 11/19/66?
Even though I didn't have the intro on my 11/19/66 tape I compared the two
versions of just the song Cold Rain And Snow by cueing them up so they
were in perfect sync with each other and listening to them simultaneously.
I did this several times and found that they are note for note identical.
The real clincher was at the very end of the song in the last second or so
there is some yelling from the audience that is also on both tapes which
occurs just as it quiets down, but before the music finally stops. You can
just barely hear it, but two people yell out what sounds like "Hey" and
"Yeah" in quick succession. It sounds almost like one word "HeyYeah". Its
kind of hard to hear, but its there on both tapes. These are definitely
the same versions.
I then checked the two versions of Hi-Heeled Sneakers and there is some
reverb at the beginning of 2/12/67 which is not on 11/19/66 (this was
mentioned by Bart). The reverb dies down after a minute or less though for
the most part. Aside from that they do seem to be played the exact same
way on both tapes. In fact there is one time where Jerry sings the word
"Sneakers" and his voice kind of catches and cracks a little. That is
definitely on both tapes which is kind of odd in itself.
I checked the two versions of Smokestack and those seemed at first to be
close, but the 2/12/67 Smokestack runs slow compared to the one from
11/19/66. They do definitely come from the same time frame where they
played the song the same exact way. Even all of the ooo-oohs and
aaah-aaahs from Pigpen match up just right. The speed difference is
significant and again I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that they are the
very same rendition but they are at least very close time frame wise.
Smokestack gets cut off on 2/12/67 so you can't check for some strange
identifiable yells from the audience right at the end of the song.
The interesting thing is that 2/12/67 has been around for a long time and
11/19/66 just came out of hiding all of a sudden at the same time as
3/18/67 did back in 1989. (I checked the Smokestack on 3/18/67 and its not
the same as the one on 2/12/67 for sure).
The bottom line is that I'm convinced "2/12/67" is some sort of a
compilation tape. I'm convinced that the intro, Cold Rain And Snow and
Hi-Heeled Sneakers are definitely from 11/19/66. However the Smokestack
(which might actually be a studio recording) seems to be played *very*
similarly to the version on 11/19/66, but there may be some differences
and no clincher to really prove it is the same as the 11/19/66 version.
Maybe some other tape will show up from this time frame which will turn
out to be the real source for that song.
Other artist(s): James Cotton Blues Band, Lothar & The Hand People.
RECORDINGS 77 SB. The complete list circulates in SBD. Dancin' In The
Street cuts off with a significant portion missing.
CONTRIBUTORS Jeff Tiedrich <[email protected]>, Thayer Jennings
<[email protected]>, David Sorochty <[email protected]>, Teddy
GoodBear <[email protected]>, Adrian M. Johnson
<[email protected]>, Bart Wise |
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JD Cohen (1/4.9) | CDR / 1 | View | ||||
Mason (1/0) | cdr / 1 | View | 41 | have SHNs | ||
Notes: | archived | |||||
Will Meyer (1/0) | cdr / 1 | View | ||||
Jason (1/2) | SHN / 1 | A | A | View | 41 | SBD; liberated bootleg source; extraction/SHN by Jon Seff |
Erik Harrington (1/0) | / 0 | View | ||||
Thomas Raymo (1/5) | SHN / 1 | View | 41 | |||
Notes: | OK | |||||
The AlphaDog (1/0) | CDr / 1 | View | Unknown | |||
Meaty (1/0) | shn / 1 | sbd | View | 41 | ||
RUKIND (1/0) | CDR / 1 | A | View | SBD | ||
Notes: | No Dancin' | |||||
Mike Smith (1/0) | cdr / 1 | A | View | |||
bill (1/0) | / 1 | View | ||||
Jeff Winick (1/0) | SHN / 1 | View | 41 | Liberated bootleg | ||
Jeffrey T. (1/0) | CDR / 1 | View | ||||
Notes: | Notes: This is a liberated bootleg that sounds pretty damn good for how old the show is. According to Deadbase, this is the complete show except for Dancin from the end of the first set. If you want to hear some old Dead, I highly recommend this disc. |