Grateful Dead 11/20/1978

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partial sets 1,2; revised source: MR> Cass Master> Lynxone 24 bit A/D converter> CD; seed via M. Mcleod; abupt cut in the end of Peggy-o; via P. Lucente to BUDD offer; upgrade in circulation

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complete set 2; AUD, precise source is unknown? (but thought to be Nak 300s), lineage? MAC> Reel> Reel (>Possible 3rd Reel Generation>) DATs> CDRs> EAC> SHN; via Rob Bertrando, Darrin Sacks

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complete set 2; Master SBD Cassette > Cassette > DAT > CD-R > EAC > SHN, with plenty of AUD patches; via Art Cohen?; upgrade in circulation

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Complete show. Set1: SBD> ??> CAS> CD> EAC> WAV; Set2: MSR> CAS> LYNXONE 24 Bit A/D Converter> CD> SHN> WAV; Set2 patches: MSC> CAS> DAT> CD-R> EAC> SHN> WAV; and MAC> R1> R2> (possibly R3>) DATs> CDRs> EAC> SHN> WAV. Set 2 derives from all three previous seeds. See info file for edits and flaws.

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flac 16; Sick Bits Vol. 16a - matrix: SBD/AUD mix from 2 previously circulating sources; SBD: (shnid=12947)+ AUD: (shnid=302); edited, mixed and transfered by Chris Chappell

(95244) View Source

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flac16; Recording Info: Source 1: SBD -> ? -> Cassette -> CD; Source 2: SBD -> Master Cassette -> Dat -> CD; Source 3: Nakamichi 300 -> Reels? -> Dat -> CD; Source 4: SBD -> Master Reel -> Cassette -> Dat -> CD; Transfer Info: CD -> Adobe Audition v1.5 -> Samplitude Professional v10.1 -> FLAC; All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller (Upgrade now in circulation)

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flac16; Recording Info: Source 1: SBD -> ? -> Cassette -> Sound Devices 744T -> Samplitude Source 2: SBD -> Master Cassette -> Dat -> CD Source 3: Nakamichi 300 -> Reels? -> Dat -> CD Source 4: SBD -> Master Reel -> Cassette -> Dat -> CD Transfer Info: Adobe Audition v1.5 -> Samplitude Professional v10.1 -> FLAC; All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller (This is an upgrade to source id 95244)

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flac16; Source: Unknown AUD (marked 4th gen) kindly provided by Seaweed1010. Transfer: XLIIS > Nakamichi DR-2 > Edirol FA-66 > Wavelab > CD-Wave > R8Brain > TLH > FLAC 1644 tagged. Transfer by Andrew F. December 2011

User (active/rating)	Media / #	Show	Sound	Details	DB Source	User Source
Ben Neuman (0/5)	CD-R / 1			View		complete set 2; MSC>C>DAT>CD-R>EAC>SHN w/ AUD patches
Notes:	GRATEFUL DEAD Cleveland Music Hall Cleveland, OH 11-20-78 Set 2 Master SBD Cassette > Cassette > DAT > CD-R > EAC > SHN Audience patches abound 1. ja//m -> 9:48 2. drums -> 2:55 3. //jam-> 3:19 4. Jack A Roe 4:31 5. Playing in the Band -> 9:21 6. Shakedown Street -> 11:46 7. If I Had the World to Give -> 7:11 8. j//am -> 3:51 9. Playing in the Band -> 2:29 10. Around & Around 8:43 Total Time: 63:54
Ben Neuman (0/5)	CD-R / 1			View		complete set 2; MSC>C>DAT>CD-R>EAC>SHN w/ AUD patches
Notes:	GRATEFUL DEAD Cleveland Music Hall Cleveland, OH 11-20-78 Set 2 Master SBD Cassette > Cassette > DAT > CD-R > EAC > SHN Audience patches abound 1. ja//m -> 9:48 2. drums -> 2:55 3. //jam-> 3:19 4. Jack A Roe 4:31 5. Playing in the Band -> 9:21 6. Shakedown Street -> 11:46 7. If I Had the World to Give -> 7:11 8. j//am -> 3:51 9. Playing in the Band -> 2:29 10. Around & Around 8:43 Total Time: 63:54
David Ratner (0/0)	CD / 1			View
Christian Harper (0/0)	/ 0			View	301
Keith Forman (0/0)	CD-R / 1		A	View		SBD>Reel(m)>DAT>CD
Notes:	Only available SBD portions.
Koolaid (0/5)	SHN / 1			View	301
Koolaid (0/5)	SHN / 1			View	12947
Daniel (0/0)	CDR / 1			View	12947	SBD
Notes:	Just Set 2.
kungleeus (0/0)	CDR / 1	A++	A	View
Notes:	Second set only.
Willy (0/4.8)	SHN / 1			View	302
Notes:	complete set 2; precise source is unknown (but thought to be Nak 300s), lineage MAC> Reel> Reel (>Possible 3rd Reel Generation>) DATs> CD; Note- add txt when burning
Mike Aiken (0/0)	CDR / 1			View	301
Mike Aiken (0/0)	CDR / 1			View	302
Mike Aiken (0/0)	CDR / 1			View	12947
andy schwartz (0/0)	cdr / 1			View
For Reference Only (0/3.5)	DAT / 0			View
Notes:	Cleveland Music Hall, Cleveland Oh - set #2 xcerpt 4.6, 062min, Sbd, A1D1, Cass M->Cass 1->Dat 1, 48 Cass Master->1st Gen Cass->Dat x 1
ramblinroze (0/0)	/ 3			View	21727	Set1: SBD> ??> CAS> CD> EAC> WAV; Set2: MSR> CAS> LYNXONE 24 Bit A/D...
Notes:	Circ Date: 01-14-04 ; Conley Knott Complete Show!! See shn link for complete lineage.
Christian M. Johnson (0/0)	cd / 3		a	View
rich (0/0)	/ 1			View
Matt (0/0)	Shn / 0			View	32489	SBD
Notes:	Archive 131, 78-11-20II.mtx.chappell.32489.sbeok.flac
Matt (0/0)	Shn / 0			View	301	SBD
Notes:	Archive 004, 78-11-20.sbd.mcleod.301.sbeok.shnf_shn
Matt (0/0)	Shn / 0			View	21727	SBD
Notes:	Archive 134, 78-11-20.21727.shn
RonMexico (0/0)	FLAC / CD-R / 0			View		Sick Bits Vol. 16a - matrix: SBD/AUD mix from 2 previously circulating sources; SBD:...
Notes:	GRATEFUL DEAD Cleveland Music Hall Cleveland, OH 11-20-78 II Sick Bits Vol. 16a Matrix: SBD/AUD mix Sources: SBD: (shnid=12947) Master SBD Cassette > Cassette > DAT > CD-R > EAC > SHN via Art Cohen? AUD: (shnid=302) MAC>Reel>Reel>?>DATs>CDRs>EAC>SHN (thought to be Nak 300s) A/D by Dr. Rob Bertrando and encoded by Darrin Sacks - taper unknown, although Jack Warner confirms that it is not recorded by Hugh Barroll Transfer/Editing: Both sources were shn files downloaded from LMA and converted to WAV > Vegas 5 (matrix) > WAV > CD Wave > FLAC 16 (level 8) Matrixed by Chris Chappell ScarFireATliquidcityDOTcom 2/9/06 Set II only s2t01 - Jam -> s2t02 - Drums -> s2t03 - Jam-> s2t04 - Jack A Roe s2t05 - Playin' in the Band -> s2t06 - Shakedown Street -> s2t07 - If I Had the World to Give -> s2t08 - Jam -> s2t09 - Playin' Reprise -> s2t10 - Around & Around Total Time: 65:08 ___________________________________________________________ General Notes: When the LlaMA had to pull the SBDs, one source I never got was the updated multiple SBD source (shnid=21727) that included the first set. Also mentioned is the Scott Jones AUD which runs through Jack-a-roe but is not listed in the db, and I have not seen either source circulate as of late (hint hint). If both sources surface I can then put together the first set as well, so for now this fileset is Sick Bits Vol. 16a and the first set would be Vol. 16b (I'm naming this fileset "a" hoping that there will be a "b"). This SBD is not that bad (fast though), but Jerry's tone gets very big when coupled with the added dimension of the AUD, which, all in all, is fairly decent for the time period. The SBD has some holes and finally cuts for good before the Playin' Reprise. The first set is about 76 mins. in length whereas this second set is about 65 mins. without an encore. One of the strangest second sets in terms of format, song selection, and plain old jamming - they essentially start with Space and play two distinctive jams (the second with Jerry using the Mutron) sandwiched around Drumz before finally settling into Jack A Roe, a 17 month rezi, 8th time played, only version of 1978, and only version which involves a segue. After they stop playing after the Jack A Roe (the only break in the set), Weir can clearly be heard on the SBD laying out the sequence: Playin > Shakedown > World To Give > Playin (it's unclear if he mentions Round & Round) - so this is very much planned, most likely because this is only the 5th Shakedown (no reprise) and the third and final If I Had The World To Give. Also, according to those that were there, Weir was ill for the early part of this set, so they opened with "jam". Thanks to whomever recorded the AUD, to Rob Bertrando for converting it to digital, and Darrin Sacks for encoding and seeding it. Since the SBD source is a mystery, thanks to all of you who had a hand in the lineage. Enjoy! Chappy ___________________________________________________________ LlaMA reviews: "The Grateful Dead - yep....that's right.... enough said..." "Take a careful look at that second-set list. Bobby got sick -- was missing at the start of the set (hence the start with a jam) appeared briefly to start Playing in the Band, vanished for the rest of the show, and then reappeared to finish the show. We pestered Healy the next night in Rochester: 'What happened last night?' 'Aw...Bobby was sick as a dawg, throwing up in the dressing room...'" "The whole [second] set just scorches. Has a very nice jazzy feel and a rare (and in my opinion, the best version of) "World to Give". Get this show!" "...favorite of mine since it was my first show..the beginning of the second set with jam-drums-jam is without weir. what the problem was i don't know but he doesn't join in until jackaroe. this venue was an excellent place to see them because it was on the lake downtown and small with great acoustics." "without a doubt the funkiest shakedown i have ever heard. very good sandwiched between playin & world to give. get it for the unusual 2nd set. the shakedown is for the ages. so funky it hurts."
Havanos (0/0)	cdr / 2	A	A-	View
Notes:	SOURCES SBD #1: SBD> ??> CAS> CD> EAC> WAV. A/D conversion by Steve Milewski via Nak BX300> Tascam CDRW700 standalone audio unit. Extraction by Conley Knott via EAC (logs report peak levels 100%, track quality 100% and no errors). This source is new to etree with this seed. Supplies set one. SBD #2: MSR> CAS> LYNXONE 24 Bit A/D Converter> CD> SHN> WAV. First seeded by Marshall Mcleod [etree shn id 301]. Supplies most of set two. SBD #3: MSC> CAS> DAT> CD-R> EAC> SHN> WAV. This seems to derive from the same orginal source as SBD #2 but have a different lineage (some distinctive cuts are identical while other cuts appear in different places; also SBD #3 has slightly higher hiss). First seeded by Art Cohen? [etree shn id 12947]. Supplies one set two patch. AUD: MAC (believed to be via Nak 300s)> R1> R2> (possibly R3>) DATs> CDRs> EAC> SHN> WAV. A/D conversion by Rob Bertrando, and first seeded by Darrin Sacks [etree shn id 302]. Probably derives from the tape originally recorded by Hugh Barroll. Supplies several set two patches.EDITING NOTES: Sound Forge XP 4.5 was used for edits as noted below, and to recompile the wavs into a single wav file in preparation for final retracking. CDWav was used to cut tracks along sector boundaries. shntool was used to confirm all wav files were cut on sector boundaries. mkwACT was used to convert shn>wav, wav>shn, and create the md5. 1. Entire first set: reduced pitch by -.566 semitones throughout set one to bring the pitch of SBD #1 within 0.03% of SBD #2 (using the Peggy-O on each source for direct comparison) 2. Half Step: attenuated severe mixing problems by significantly raising amplitude of first ~4.5 secs (which was inaudible on source CD); and lowering amplitude less drastically for the next ~1.5 secs 3. LL Rain: attenuated cassette tape flip @4:55 by splicing the two segments almost flush (no cross fade or overlap). The segment before the splice was unaltered, and the segment after the splice was softened with a short fade-in. 4. tuning: entire track supplied by AUD 5. Jam #1: first ~50 secs patched by AUD 6. Jam #1: 1:26 to 1:52 patched by SBD #3 7. Jam #1: last 0:11 patched by AUD (patch starts @8:02) 8. Drums: entire track supplied by AUD 9. Jam #2: first 0:05 patched by AUD 10. Playin (reprise): last 4:29 patched by AUD (patch starts @1:46) 11. Around: entire track supplied by AUD KNOWN FLAWS REMAINING: (1) The first 3 notes of Half Step are missing; (2) Distortion is present in first ~4.5 seconds of Half Step, where amplitude was raised as much as possible; (3) Most mix problems were left untouched, and persist through the first two songs of set one [Half Step> Franklin's]. The levels are re-adjusted several times before settling on a satisfactory mix partway through Franklin's; (4) A cut in LL Rain remains at the cassette tape flip. Probably ~2 seconds are missing. ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: Mahalo to Steve Milewski for answering a stranger's e-mail and supplying SBD #1. Thanks also to Torbj?rn Olofsson [http://tol.etree.org:8888/], to whom an immeasurable debt of gratitude is owed by many. He provided the shn sets of the SBD #2, SBD #3, and AUD sources. Finally, thanks to all of the unnamed (and unknown) people who contributed in getting these sources to this point. Compiled, edited, shn'd and seeded to etree by Conley Knott. January 11, 2004 * Source update: Jack Warner reports the AUD on this seed does not derive from Hugh Barroll's tape. Jack bases this on his personal comparison between Hugh's source and this AUD. -- Conley (1.19.2004)
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Notes:	2nd set

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